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It should work in Wine, although I haven't tested this update yet. (disclaimer: I work for CodeWeavers, we sell CrossOver which should be a great and easy way

It should work in Wine, although I haven't tested this update yet. (disclaimer: I work for CodeWeavers, we sell CrossOver which should be a great and easy way to play) edit: tested out the 20th anniversary update on M2 Pro, it works great!

inasio 2y ago
All, or at least most of Valve's games used to run natively on Mac, and now they don't (even on Intel Macs)
- Zamiel_Snawley 2y ago
  Running native or emulated doesn’t really matter if the performance is good enough. Better translation layers are what made the Steam Deck possible.
  - satvikpendem 2y ago
    Good enough doesn't mean optimal, though. Every layer adds a performance penalty and that's how we end up in situations where we have layers and layers of abstraction eventually making all programs slow even on ever increasing hardware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill's_law
    - brnt 2y ago
      In fact, Windows gamers are using DXVK to reduce overhead. One needs to realise graphics APIs have historically not been terribly efficient.
      - satvikpendem 2y ago
        How do you know that those graphics APIs have not been efficient?
        brnt 2y ago
        Benchmarks. There was a reason Mantle/Vulkan came to be.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Is this a problem Valve should invest in fixing because it's an issues caused by them, or a problem Apple created for not caring about backwards compatibility on MacOS the same way Microsoft does on Windows? If Apple doesn't care about backwards compatibility on their platform, why should Valve or other developers be burdened with the added cost, especially on a platform with small market share that won't drive many sales?
  - freedomben 2y ago
    Amen. I didn't understand why Apple is one of the only companies that gets to break backward compatibility, and escape all blame when stuff breaks. It always seems to be put on the software developer to update with whatever Apple's new requirements are, even when it's older software (or ancient)!
itake 2y ago
What did you do to get it to run? I didn’t download load it because of the warnings. Just run in Rosetta?
- mrpippy 2y ago
  I used CrossOver to install (Windows) Steam, then downloaded/ran (Windows) HL2 from there

inasio 2y ago

All, or at least most of Valve's games used to run natively on Mac, and now they don't (even on Intel Macs)

Zamiel_Snawley 2y ago
Running native or emulated doesn’t really matter if the performance is good enough. Better translation layers are what made the Steam Deck possible.
- satvikpendem 2y ago
  Good enough doesn't mean optimal, though. Every layer adds a performance penalty and that's how we end up in situations where we have layers and layers of abstraction eventually making all programs slow even on ever increasing hardware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill's_law
  - brnt 2y ago
    In fact, Windows gamers are using DXVK to reduce overhead. One needs to realise graphics APIs have historically not been terribly efficient.
    - satvikpendem 2y ago
      How do you know that those graphics APIs have not been efficient?
      - brnt 2y ago
        Benchmarks. There was a reason Mantle/Vulkan came to be.
Rinzler89 2y ago
Is this a problem Valve should invest in fixing because it's an issues caused by them, or a problem Apple created for not caring about backwards compatibility on MacOS the same way Microsoft does on Windows? If Apple doesn't care about backwards compatibility on their platform, why should Valve or other developers be burdened with the added cost, especially on a platform with small market share that won't drive many sales?
- freedomben 2y ago
  Amen. I didn't understand why Apple is one of the only companies that gets to break backward compatibility, and escape all blame when stuff breaks. It always seems to be put on the software developer to update with whatever Apple's new requirements are, even when it's older software (or ancient)!

itake 2y ago

What did you do to get it to run? I didn’t download load it because of the warnings. Just run in Rosetta?

mrpippy 2y ago
I used CrossOver to install (Windows) Steam, then downloaded/ran (Windows) HL2 from there