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> Not anymore, that's my point. Women's dreams are changing now that they can make real money. Men's dreams are not catching up. What should men dream? I hone

> Not anymore, that's my point. Women's dreams are changing now that they can make real money. Men's dreams are not catching up. What should men dream? I honestly think the truth of the matter is that women's dreams change the moment they have a baby. Literally every women I know suddenly has a change of heart on how their future ought to unfold the moment the baby is born. Part of the problem here is that couples are not even crossing that Rubicon, so to speak . I count myself as a man who probably dreamed what you think men ought to have. My wife and I married young, yes, but we both envisioned working full time. Then we had the baby... and suddenly your wife is obsessed with this little person in a way you never thought possible. My wife in particular never counted herself as a 'kid' person, but it's different when its your own, especially for women. Suddenly, it seemed like the only sane option was the traditional one. But I scorned those who told me that before that happened to us. I think we should just be honest about the effect of hormones on women's desires. It would be kinder to men and women to do that.

nineplay 2y ago
> What should men dream? Anyone can dream anything but they shouldn't respond with outrage and fury if their dreams don't come true. > I honestly think the truth of the matter is that women's dreams change the moment they have a baby. Not in my experience but that is immaterial in the context of the current discussion. Women are not having babies. Not in the US, not in east Asia. In their opinions they've got better things to do.
- anon291 2y ago
  > they shouldn't respond with outrage and fury if their dreams don't come true. Who is responding with fury? I see no widespread male fury? On the internet, you'll always find someone furious enough. > Not in the US, not in east Asia. In their opinions they've got better things to do. Fine with me. Their ideals and cultural preferences won't be present in the next generation. A self-fixing problem.
  - nineplay 2y ago
    > Fine with me. Their ideals and cultural preferences won't be present in the next generation. A self-fixing problem. The governments of Japan and South Korea disagree.

nineplay 2y ago

> What should men dream? Anyone can dream anything but they shouldn't respond with outrage and fury if their dreams don't come true. > I honestly think the truth of the matter is that women's dreams change the moment they have a baby. Not in my experience but that is immaterial in the context of the current discussion. Women are not having babies. Not in the US, not in east Asia. In their opinions they've got better things to do.

anon291 2y ago
> they shouldn't respond with outrage and fury if their dreams don't come true. Who is responding with fury? I see no widespread male fury? On the internet, you'll always find someone furious enough. > Not in the US, not in east Asia. In their opinions they've got better things to do. Fine with me. Their ideals and cultural preferences won't be present in the next generation. A self-fixing problem.
- nineplay 2y ago
  > Fine with me. Their ideals and cultural preferences won't be present in the next generation. A self-fixing problem. The governments of Japan and South Korea disagree.