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> Elizabeth Warren shows in her book 'The Dual Income Trap' that you can be pretty much assured the government will get all that is possible from the husband.

> Elizabeth Warren shows in her book 'The Dual Income Trap' that you can be pretty much assured the government will get all that is possible from the husband. Is there any evidence of this outside Elizabeth Warren's book? Most reports say that at most 10% of women get alimony. > This is hardly a new thing. Not new, but I believe that it's getting worse.

anon291 2y ago
Warren's book doesn't say all women get alimony, it says that alimony is heavily enforced and that the courts extract as much as possible. If a woman is not getting alimony it's either because she worked (in which case she might still get child support, that's different) or because the husband is simply not earning enough to support two people, which would be a problem even without alimony. Basically, if a non-working woman divorces, she is highly likely to get about as much as she would have had had she remained married, which stilly might be nothing, if the husband is not earning a whole lot.
- nineplay 2y ago
  I'll stand by my comparison. Absent every other consideration, do you think more people would want a job with retirement benefits and severance pay, or a job where you have a 10% chance of getting part of your employer's income - which may are may not be all that much. I'm pretty sure I know what Jack Bogle would recommend.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
> Is there any evidence of this outside Elizabeth Warren's book? Most reports say that at most 10% of women get alimony. Do you have a source for this claim? (anon291 provided at least one source...)
- nineplay 2y ago
  > alimony awards have always been very rare, going from about 25 percent of cases in the 1960s to about 10 percent today From 2015, but I don't think there's any reason to think they've gotten higher https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-divorce-alimony/how-bread-winning-women-are-driving-alimony-reform-idUSKCN0T61O920151117/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-divorce-alimony/how...
  - epicureanideal 2y ago
    Maybe only 10% of women stop working when they have kids, so few of them need alimony? And again that’s separate from child support. I’d bet the child support number is 80%+, with the remainder being women that earn huge amounts of money or who decide not to be in their kids’ lives and have zero custody.
    - nineplay 2y ago
      They probably haven't stopped working when they have kids because it's a terrible social and financial decision. Which is why they don't want kids. Which is why fertility is declining.

anon291 2y ago

Warren's book doesn't say all women get alimony, it says that alimony is heavily enforced and that the courts extract as much as possible. If a woman is not getting alimony it's either because she worked (in which case she might still get child support, that's different) or because the husband is simply not earning enough to support two people, which would be a problem even without alimony. Basically, if a non-working woman divorces, she is highly likely to get about as much as she would have had had she remained married, which stilly might be nothing, if the husband is not earning a whole lot.

nineplay 2y ago
I'll stand by my comparison. Absent every other consideration, do you think more people would want a job with retirement benefits and severance pay, or a job where you have a 10% chance of getting part of your employer's income - which may are may not be all that much. I'm pretty sure I know what Jack Bogle would recommend.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

> Is there any evidence of this outside Elizabeth Warren's book? Most reports say that at most 10% of women get alimony. Do you have a source for this claim? (anon291 provided at least one source...)

nineplay 2y ago
> alimony awards have always been very rare, going from about 25 percent of cases in the 1960s to about 10 percent today From 2015, but I don't think there's any reason to think they've gotten higher https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-divorce-alimony/how-bread-winning-women-are-driving-alimony-reform-idUSKCN0T61O920151117/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-divorce-alimony/how...
- epicureanideal 2y ago
  Maybe only 10% of women stop working when they have kids, so few of them need alimony? And again that’s separate from child support. I’d bet the child support number is 80%+, with the remainder being women that earn huge amounts of money or who decide not to be in their kids’ lives and have zero custody.
  - nineplay 2y ago
    They probably haven't stopped working when they have kids because it's a terrible social and financial decision. Which is why they don't want kids. Which is why fertility is declining.