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> Not that I'm complaining. I'm happy to pick up people that are good at computers but wouldn't be able to pass that hurdle, and probably wouldn't hire anyone t

by unoti 2y ago

> Not that I'm complaining. I'm happy to pick up people that are good at computers but wouldn't be able to pass that hurdle, and probably wouldn't hire anyone that has. You're looking for people who feel like they can't be bothered to learn some of the science and fundamentals of their craft? And you'd actively oppose hiring people who have the determination to go the extra mile? You'd actually discriminate against people who know how to use basic data structures and algorithms, and have that enriched landscape of knowledge to apply to problems that might come up? Fortunately for you, there are lots of these people available to hire who felt like they are too good to put in the work. I'm not saying that the data structures and algorithms knowledge is needed to do most software engineering jobs on a daily basis. But for lots of jobs, hiring people with a demonstrated willingness to dive in deep and learn things that aren't necessarily easy or fun actually can be a very good thing, because a lot of engineering problems require a similarly difficult dive into some aspect of specialized domain knowledge.

cess11 2y ago
You're speaking from a position of great privilege where putting in a month or two of free labour doesn't impact your life much, maybe because you have money, or because you don't have kids. Whether someone demonstrates a willingness to dive in deep and learn things I catch with an entirely different technique, like putting them into contact with a new programming language. Filtering out people with experience from "FAANG" will likely get rid of some people that think they are "too good to put in the work", because they have that line on their resumes. And those I've met were absolutely insufferable and incompetent.
- unoti 2y ago
  Actually I put in that work myself, while working, and while raising kids. It took me a lot longer than a month or two. It took a ridiculous, embarrassing amount of time. > And those I've met were absolutely insufferable and incompetent. I understand this last part, and annoying and insufferable people absolutely do exist. But consider that you may be generalizing and discriminating against a pretty big pool of people using a small sample size, and give some of those people a chance-- as long as they're not being insufferable and are treating you the way you want to be treated. Those people exist in FAANGs too.
  - cess11 2y ago
    No way. If someone has worked in one of those companies and tells me about it, then they're tainted by it, similar to how they would be from having worked at Raytheon or whatever. If they have the sense to try and hide their "FAANG" background I might consider them.

by unoti 2y ago

cess11 2y ago

You're speaking from a position of great privilege where putting in a month or two of free labour doesn't impact your life much, maybe because you have money, or because you don't have kids. Whether someone demonstrates a willingness to dive in deep and learn things I catch with an entirely different technique, like putting them into contact with a new programming language. Filtering out people with experience from "FAANG" will likely get rid of some people that think they are "too good to put in the work", because they have that line on their resumes. And those I've met were absolutely insufferable and incompetent.

unoti 2y ago
Actually I put in that work myself, while working, and while raising kids. It took me a lot longer than a month or two. It took a ridiculous, embarrassing amount of time. > And those I've met were absolutely insufferable and incompetent. I understand this last part, and annoying and insufferable people absolutely do exist. But consider that you may be generalizing and discriminating against a pretty big pool of people using a small sample size, and give some of those people a chance-- as long as they're not being insufferable and are treating you the way you want to be treated. Those people exist in FAANGs too.
- cess11 2y ago
  No way. If someone has worked in one of those companies and tells me about it, then they're tainted by it, similar to how they would be from having worked at Raytheon or whatever. If they have the sense to try and hide their "FAANG" background I might consider them.