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Interesting study. The performance increase on the difficult task as audience size increases is counterintuitive at first, but it makes sense when you consider
by imiric 2y ago
Interesting study. The performance increase on the difficult task as audience size increases is counterintuitive at first, but it makes sense when you consider how many humans excel at performing in front of large audiences.
Yet for some of us the stress of being observed and scrutinized is crippling regardless of the task difficulty. I've bombed so many interviews because of this. :(
- readthenotes1 2y agoThe people watching were familiar to the chimps, so desire to please or pride may have overcome fear of failure. It was also only 6 chimps and the experiments were run over many years. I bet replication is going to be troublesome.
- estebarb 2y agoWell, some people is know for only do their job when a manager is around. They behave similar after all.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago[flagged]
- hehbot 2y agoMy good man, this is the internet. Grammar does not matter as long as you are understood.
- DiscourseFan 2y agoMy correction itself was an interpretation. The phrase was not fully intelligible to me even.
- yapyap 2y agoI understood it (I think), basically they were saying some people only do their job when their manager is around hence the monkeys and people aren’t that different after all. Hope this helps
- DiscourseFan 2y agoIts the specificity that's important. The general vibe is easy to interpret for commonly understood phrases, but often language complexity allows for subtle nuances that may be difficult to interpret if they are not properly used.
- m463 2y agoI would have thought: > Well, some people are known for only doing their job when a manager is around. They behave similarly after all [to the monkeys]. Also, some days I wish there was a way to fix typos in restaurant menus. Although I would still be flummoxed by "Pork Floss, Chinese Sausage Scorched Rice" (cơm cháy chà bông lạp xưởng)
- quickthrowman 2y agoLet’s break it down: > some people is know Some people are known > for only do their job when a manager is around. for only doing their job when a manager is around. > They behave similar after all. Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study. Now, let’s put that all together: > Some people are known for only doing their job when a manager is around. Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study. That wasn’t so hard now, was it? Edit: I see that the two sibling comments to mine interpreted it the same way.
- fsckboy 2y ago>Grammar does not matter most people who learn/are learning a foreign language appreciate getting corrections and suggested improvements. People willing to take the time and analyze and share are a valuable resource.
- prophesi 2y agoRegardless if you're struggling with the language and could use the help, or just writing hastily, the correction is excessive and reads like an LLM response.
- gus_massa 2y agoNot native speaker here. Corrections are soetimes helpful, but I prefer shorter corrections. Something like: > "know": you should use "known" (adjetive) instead of "know" (verb). And add more details in case the author or someone else ask for clarifications.
- sabbaticaldev 2y agono, we don’t appreciate fixing small typos becoming the main point of discussion in a technical forum. It was completely understandable and sounded like someone not agreeing with the content but not capable of refuting it
- TeMPOraL 2y agoNo. Grammar does matter on the Internet. So does spelling. Malformed writing takes extra effort to decipher, so even if you're understood, you may also be secretly hated for it.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago[flagged]
- yapyap 2y ago> but it makes sense when you consider how many humans excel at performing in front of large audiences. yeah but maybe these people are just as good when they aren’t in front of huge audiences..
- WalterBright 2y agoThe adrenaline from being in front of an audience helps a lot. But when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling. The cure for that kind of stress is to keep doing it, the stress will go away. Like if your throat freezes up when stepping behind the podium, just take every opportunity you can to public speak. P.S. I don't get any adrenaline from a zoom presentation. As a result, they aren't near as good as the live ones.
- crystal_revenge 2y ago> when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling. But that was because humans were watching you. I imagine it would be notably less stressful if you were being watched by an increasingly large population of chimpanzees instead of people. Personally I imagine that the larger that group of chimpanzees got, the more relaxed I would feel. Just think about solving a problem in a room with 1,000 chimpanzees just chilling out and watching without a single other human in the room. Likewise I suspect chimpanzees would perform different if watched other chimpanzees.
- Brian_K_White 2y agoThis ignores something pretty obvious. Obviously a chimpanze recognizes humans as something like itself, and that the humans opinions matter. At the very least a chimp knows that the humans totally control it's life. You have a very different understanding of the relationship between yourself and any group of chimps.
- n_ary 2y agoUsually, I have become good at pretending that no one is watching. Given my seniority, I explain to the people watching that, I will first prepare something, they are free to watch, I will also write comments so they know what am thinking(unfortunately, I can’t talk and type or draw at the same time), and then I will explain. Or if they prefer, I explain and do the coding/drawing after in bursts of explain-do-explain-do. Of course, silicon valley has taught that people who can speak and code at the same time are like best things, but if a team is not happy to accept other people’s shortcomings, am probably fine not working with them.
- andyjohnson0 2y ago> Yet for some of us the stress of being observed and scrutinized is crippling regardless of the task difficulty. I've bombed so many interviews because of this. :( I feel your pain. I had a fourth-round interview recently where I was expected to write code while narrating my thoughts to two people sitting either side of me - and while perched on a wobbly office stool at a standing desk. Couldn't think. Totally bombed it.
- phatskat 2y agoOh that sounds awful I’m sorry! I’ve had to do code tests in online IDEs which fine, but I use vim and so I had to write everything in vim, paste to the IDE, get the live feedback from the rendered output and make adjustments back and forth. It would’ve been fine if not for the timed aspect. I can’t imagine adding two people, an unfamiliar desk setup, an unfamiliar keyboard even, all while talking about what I’m doing.
- Citizen_Lame 2y agoIs, "I use vim", a computer version of I am vegetarian?