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> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the re

> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
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- mcculley 2y ago
  How is California special in that regard? Many states lack the infrastructure or density to allow for proper enjoyment of alcohol.
  - connicpu 2y ago
    Unless you're wealthy enough to live in the core of a major metropolitan area, it's all of the states.
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    There also clear lack of alcohol enjoyment education. Gather at friends place and stay overnight, carpools and draw a sober Sam, don’t get overdrunk and drink water for the last 90 min of the party, etc… I do agree infras and density is a better option. But lack of infra doesn’t justify to drive drunk.
    - mcculley 2y ago
      I’m not justifying drunk driving. I asked how California is different from other states in this regard.
- mandymoorefan 2y ago
  North Carolina next question.
- rich_sasha 2y ago
  I never understood how in America, a DUI seems to be (from films etc) a relatively minor issue. In the UK you get a prison sentence, even if you didn't cause any harm (eg we're spot-tested).
  - SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago
    A big problem is that America is huge, and relatively sparse at that. You have to drive just to get to the pub!
  - throwup238 2y ago
    For the average American with no criminal record it’s relatively serious. It depends on the state but you’ll usually spend the night or weekend in jail until you can make bail. It can have career repercussions and America’s lenient approach to road accidents goes out the window so if anyone gets hurt except you, there will be a felony charge up to manslaughter.
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    DUI simply isn't enforced. If it were, the number of arrests would be stratospheric, and people's lives would be completely upended by being unable to drive.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    I mean, from films etc, us Yanks would think everyone in the UK is piss arse drunk 24/7, sounds like a chimney sweep waiting for Mary Poppins, sends their kids to magic schools, and all live in castles wearing period clothing, all while their gov't watches everything they do from CCTV. However, most of us understand that films etc are made up stories told for entertainment where if we based our expectations of people solely on that information we'd be grossly mistaken. There are plenty of people that have their lives severely tilted if not turned upside down from a single DUI. There are also people of means that get off with a much less interruption to their day. I'm guessing it is the same on your side of the pond as well.
- akira2501 2y ago
  Actually that would be Texas. Texas has more road fatalities than California. This is _not_ per capita, but in total, which is an interesting statistical point in and of itself. The data is really easy to get. I wish more people would avail themselves of it.
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    Huh? I agree that there are way too many DUI deaths everywhere. The thing I am mocking is this idea that "MY group DOESN'T have these problems and YOUR group DOES." In one case, the group is Tesla owners; another case, the group was, I guess, trees on roads; another was people who drink and drive - a typical HN reader, I am confident, believes that he does not belong to that group. And yet. Perhaps there is a group that the typical HN reader belongs to that does indeed drink and drive.
    - ggurface 2y ago
      Your point didn't come across at all.
- consteval 2y ago
  > Well this touched a nerve. It's just a little funny you think California is unique in this regard. Pretty much all of the US is extremely underdeveloped when it comes to public transportation. Hillbillies in the boonies have to drive a lot too.
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legitster 2y ago
If you have driven around rural roads in the US, you realize it does not take alcohol to leave the road. A moment of distraction is all it takes to get into a ditch. https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD
- moralestapia 2y ago
  >A moment of distraction Indeed, people really under(over?)estimate how small a loss of attention has to be to become catastrophic. I once wanted to know the name of a track that was playing while driving on the highway. I looked right to the stereo display and read it, that probably took a tenth of a second, but it happened right at the moment when something came into my lane and I had to veer off not to hit it, I did not hit it but also almost drove the car out of the road. When you're distracted, even if you're looking straight ahead, coming back to reality, assessing the situation, reacting, ... takes at least a couple seconds and that's a lot of time in these scenarios.

doctorpangloss 2y ago

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mcculley 2y ago
How is California special in that regard? Many states lack the infrastructure or density to allow for proper enjoyment of alcohol.
- connicpu 2y ago
  Unless you're wealthy enough to live in the core of a major metropolitan area, it's all of the states.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  There also clear lack of alcohol enjoyment education. Gather at friends place and stay overnight, carpools and draw a sober Sam, don’t get overdrunk and drink water for the last 90 min of the party, etc… I do agree infras and density is a better option. But lack of infra doesn’t justify to drive drunk.
  - mcculley 2y ago
    I’m not justifying drunk driving. I asked how California is different from other states in this regard.
mandymoorefan 2y ago
North Carolina next question.
rich_sasha 2y ago
I never understood how in America, a DUI seems to be (from films etc) a relatively minor issue. In the UK you get a prison sentence, even if you didn't cause any harm (eg we're spot-tested).
- SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago
  A big problem is that America is huge, and relatively sparse at that. You have to drive just to get to the pub!
- throwup238 2y ago
  For the average American with no criminal record it’s relatively serious. It depends on the state but you’ll usually spend the night or weekend in jail until you can make bail. It can have career repercussions and America’s lenient approach to road accidents goes out the window so if anyone gets hurt except you, there will be a felony charge up to manslaughter.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  DUI simply isn't enforced. If it were, the number of arrests would be stratospheric, and people's lives would be completely upended by being unable to drive.
- dylan604 2y ago
  I mean, from films etc, us Yanks would think everyone in the UK is piss arse drunk 24/7, sounds like a chimney sweep waiting for Mary Poppins, sends their kids to magic schools, and all live in castles wearing period clothing, all while their gov't watches everything they do from CCTV. However, most of us understand that films etc are made up stories told for entertainment where if we based our expectations of people solely on that information we'd be grossly mistaken. There are plenty of people that have their lives severely tilted if not turned upside down from a single DUI. There are also people of means that get off with a much less interruption to their day. I'm guessing it is the same on your side of the pond as well.
akira2501 2y ago
Actually that would be Texas. Texas has more road fatalities than California. This is _not_ per capita, but in total, which is an interesting statistical point in and of itself. The data is really easy to get. I wish more people would avail themselves of it.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  Huh? I agree that there are way too many DUI deaths everywhere. The thing I am mocking is this idea that "MY group DOESN'T have these problems and YOUR group DOES." In one case, the group is Tesla owners; another case, the group was, I guess, trees on roads; another was people who drink and drive - a typical HN reader, I am confident, believes that he does not belong to that group. And yet. Perhaps there is a group that the typical HN reader belongs to that does indeed drink and drive.
  - ggurface 2y ago
    Your point didn't come across at all.
consteval 2y ago
> Well this touched a nerve. It's just a little funny you think California is unique in this regard. Pretty much all of the US is extremely underdeveloped when it comes to public transportation. Hillbillies in the boonies have to drive a lot too.
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legitster 2y ago

If you have driven around rural roads in the US, you realize it does not take alcohol to leave the road. A moment of distraction is all it takes to get into a ditch. https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD

moralestapia 2y ago
>A moment of distraction Indeed, people really under(over?)estimate how small a loss of attention has to be to become catastrophic. I once wanted to know the name of a track that was playing while driving on the highway. I looked right to the stereo display and read it, that probably took a tenth of a second, but it happened right at the moment when something came into my lane and I had to veer off not to hit it, I did not hit it but also almost drove the car out of the road. When you're distracted, even if you're looking straight ahead, coming back to reality, assessing the situation, reacting, ... takes at least a couple seconds and that's a lot of time in these scenarios.