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Not even remotely farce. I hope the rest of the world is taking notes...

by ryandvm 2y ago

oblio 2y ago
Doesn't each major government do independent safety testing/has independent safety requirements, anyway?
- dylan604 2y ago
  VW diesel-gate How many of the independents caught that?
  - nickff 2y ago
    Interestingly, it was a study commissioned by a non-profit, and performed by a university: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
    - dylan604 2y ago
      oh, great, so none.
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Diesel gate involved also many others manufacturers > Opel (General Motors) publicly demonstrated (while representatives from the TÜV Hessen were present) a Zafira that met the NOx emission limits. At the same time, Opel started clandestinely pushing an engine software update that limited NOx emissions in Zafiras that were already on the road. > German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported that US authorities investigating Mercedes have discovered that its vehicles are equipped with illegal software to help them pass United States' stringent emission tests. The claimed defeat devices include a Bit 15 mode to switch off emissions control after 16 miles of driving (the length of an official U.S. emissions test), and Slipguard which tries to directly determine if the car is being tested based on speed and acceleration profiles > Dodge Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee trucks, had software that allowed them to exceed NOx pollution limits, undetected by the usual testing methods. > BMW was sued in 2018 when certain models were named as producing several times more nitrogen oxide emissions than laboratory tests indicated
    - netsharc 2y ago
      UK, French and German government agencies lobbied for weaker testing. Probably because of car industry lobbyists, and all the blah blah about "we sell cars, people stay employed, economy keeps going, you get reelected.". Ah, isn't democracy beautiful... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...
      - oblio 2y ago
        > Ah, isn't democracy beautiful... With a dictator they'd just bribe him. Not like that's a solution, either.
dylan604 2y ago
um, that can be read both ways. they very well could be taking notes on how to move in the same direction, not the opposite
consteval 2y ago
This is why we need the Department of Department of Government Efficiency Efficiency so we can ensure the governmental efficiency of the Department of Government Efficiency.
roughly 2y ago
Nobody needs to take notes, we’ve known what this is for a hundred years. We spent most of the last century trying to get rid of autocracy in various places, there’s entire libraries worth of books detailing this playbook at this point.
- valval 2y ago
  The good old autocracy that tries to get rid of autocratic policies and institutions. You can’t make this up.
  - jquery 2y ago
    autocracy is about concentration of power, correct. bureaucratic is not autocratic. it‘s the opposite. Removing checks and balances is a bad thing, yes.
jfengel 2y ago
Unfortunately, they are. They have discovered that this kind of behavior gets people into office. Expect to see more of it.

Not even remotely farce. I hope the rest of the world is taking notes...

oblio 2y ago

Doesn't each major government do independent safety testing/has independent safety requirements, anyway?

dylan604 2y ago
VW diesel-gate How many of the independents caught that?
- nickff 2y ago
  Interestingly, it was a study commissioned by a non-profit, and performed by a university: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
  - dylan604 2y ago
    oh, great, so none.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Diesel gate involved also many others manufacturers > Opel (General Motors) publicly demonstrated (while representatives from the TÜV Hessen were present) a Zafira that met the NOx emission limits. At the same time, Opel started clandestinely pushing an engine software update that limited NOx emissions in Zafiras that were already on the road. > German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported that US authorities investigating Mercedes have discovered that its vehicles are equipped with illegal software to help them pass United States' stringent emission tests. The claimed defeat devices include a Bit 15 mode to switch off emissions control after 16 miles of driving (the length of an official U.S. emissions test), and Slipguard which tries to directly determine if the car is being tested based on speed and acceleration profiles > Dodge Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee trucks, had software that allowed them to exceed NOx pollution limits, undetected by the usual testing methods. > BMW was sued in 2018 when certain models were named as producing several times more nitrogen oxide emissions than laboratory tests indicated
  - netsharc 2y ago
    UK, French and German government agencies lobbied for weaker testing. Probably because of car industry lobbyists, and all the blah blah about "we sell cars, people stay employed, economy keeps going, you get reelected.". Ah, isn't democracy beautiful... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...
    - oblio 2y ago
      > Ah, isn't democracy beautiful... With a dictator they'd just bribe him. Not like that's a solution, either.

dylan604 2y ago

um, that can be read both ways. they very well could be taking notes on how to move in the same direction, not the opposite

consteval 2y ago

This is why we need the Department of Department of Government Efficiency Efficiency so we can ensure the governmental efficiency of the Department of Government Efficiency.

roughly 2y ago

Nobody needs to take notes, we’ve known what this is for a hundred years. We spent most of the last century trying to get rid of autocracy in various places, there’s entire libraries worth of books detailing this playbook at this point.

valval 2y ago
The good old autocracy that tries to get rid of autocratic policies and institutions. You can’t make this up.
- jquery 2y ago
  autocracy is about concentration of power, correct. bureaucratic is not autocratic. it‘s the opposite. Removing checks and balances is a bad thing, yes.

jfengel 2y ago

Unfortunately, they are. They have discovered that this kind of behavior gets people into office. Expect to see more of it.