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How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to man

by grecy 2y ago

How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? While many says it's the ultimate meme stock, I also can't help thinking it's the ultimate manipulation stock - it seems some people desperately want it to go down while others desperately want it to go up.

robterrell 2y ago
> analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) Maybe not for the "reasonable person" but government data is available and if you are here you likely know some statistics, so go nuts: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-reporting-system-fars https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...
- Lendal 2y ago
  Now Elon will possibly in charge of making that government database disappear.
  - ridgeguy 2y ago
    Rapidly growing new file category on Pirate Bay?
  - willsoon 2y ago
    Consider, my friends, this elegant plot twist. Musk is a secret blue agent infiltrated to make that government database disappear.
  - deleted 2y ago
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thejazzman 2y ago
I've had one since 2015 and so many issues. When I share them on Reddit I'm downvoted into oblivion for going against the cult It's gotten better in the last few years, now that millions of people share the issues, it's harder to drown them out Doesn't seem to matter whatsoever for their stock, so that doesn't seems to be too relevant
- KerrAvon 2y ago
  Tesla is a memestock. There's no reason it should be as high as it is; the fundamentals aren't that great and Musk is a danger to the company whether he's in or out of government.
- foobazgt 2y ago
  Some context for others - 2015 is fairly early in Tesla's history. The model 3 didn't even exist until 2017. The overwhelming majority of Teslas on the road today are Y's and 3's. FWIW, I've personally owned three Teslas with zero problems, but none older than 2019. YMMV.
  - thejazzman 2y ago
    Early or not, it sure stings when you get hit with a $15k battery replacement cost -- for a refurbished pack! -- literally the day after the warranty dies. And that's only because my parents hadn't driven for a week. All because of an a corroded interior wire they refused to repair? Yet they had refurbished packs to sell.. at $15k..... I also have a 2017 and 2023. It's a little early to declare success if your oldest car is 5yo
kybernetikos 2y ago
Follow the link to the underlying study https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 While the linked article is playing up the tesla angle (and so may be thought to be manipulative) the underlying study does not seem to be unusually focused on tesla, it's simply listing the results of a fairly straightforward analysis. I also have no reason to doubt it as I more or less expected tesla to have bad fatality rates compared to class (although I guess I wouldn't have expected them to be quite this bad - I thought they'd be bad compared to other luxury vehicles of similar weight size and price, not absolutely bad compared to most cars). But you can find the underlying numbers and critique them if you have reason to think they might be wrong. E.g. if you believed the claims that autopilot was safer than human drivers and was saving lives, you might have expected to see a sign of that in this data (I didn't).
jjulius 2y ago
>How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? This is a data-based story. Follow the link(s) to review the data if one is unsure whether or not the reporting piece can be trusted.

by grecy 2y ago

robterrell 2y ago

> analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) Maybe not for the "reasonable person" but government data is available and if you are here you likely know some statistics, so go nuts: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-reporting-system-fars https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

Lendal 2y ago
Now Elon will possibly in charge of making that government database disappear.
- ridgeguy 2y ago
  Rapidly growing new file category on Pirate Bay?
- willsoon 2y ago
  Consider, my friends, this elegant plot twist. Musk is a secret blue agent infiltrated to make that government database disappear.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

thejazzman 2y ago

I've had one since 2015 and so many issues. When I share them on Reddit I'm downvoted into oblivion for going against the cult It's gotten better in the last few years, now that millions of people share the issues, it's harder to drown them out Doesn't seem to matter whatsoever for their stock, so that doesn't seems to be too relevant

KerrAvon 2y ago
Tesla is a memestock. There's no reason it should be as high as it is; the fundamentals aren't that great and Musk is a danger to the company whether he's in or out of government.
foobazgt 2y ago
Some context for others - 2015 is fairly early in Tesla's history. The model 3 didn't even exist until 2017. The overwhelming majority of Teslas on the road today are Y's and 3's. FWIW, I've personally owned three Teslas with zero problems, but none older than 2019. YMMV.
- thejazzman 2y ago
  Early or not, it sure stings when you get hit with a $15k battery replacement cost -- for a refurbished pack! -- literally the day after the warranty dies. And that's only because my parents hadn't driven for a week. All because of an a corroded interior wire they refused to repair? Yet they had refurbished packs to sell.. at $15k..... I also have a 2017 and 2023. It's a little early to declare success if your oldest car is 5yo

kybernetikos 2y ago

Follow the link to the underlying study https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 While the linked article is playing up the tesla angle (and so may be thought to be manipulative) the underlying study does not seem to be unusually focused on tesla, it's simply listing the results of a fairly straightforward analysis. I also have no reason to doubt it as I more or less expected tesla to have bad fatality rates compared to class (although I guess I wouldn't have expected them to be quite this bad - I thought they'd be bad compared to other luxury vehicles of similar weight size and price, not absolutely bad compared to most cars). But you can find the underlying numbers and critique them if you have reason to think they might be wrong. E.g. if you believed the claims that autopilot was safer than human drivers and was saving lives, you might have expected to see a sign of that in this data (I didn't).

jjulius 2y ago

>How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? This is a data-based story. Follow the link(s) to review the data if one is unsure whether or not the reporting piece can be trusted.