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This glimpse into the past, for some reason, always ends at the most favorable time for the speaker/writer. For Native Americans, the idyllic time was when ther

This glimpse into the past, for some reason, always ends at the most favorable time for the speaker/writer. For Native Americans, the idyllic time was when there were no Westerners. Pro-immigration people like the days of Ellis Island. But Native Americans wouldn't get back their home/land that you own now, would they? No one does. The cost argument is also nonsensical, since the United States is spending billions of dollars to support Ukraine in a war that has very little to do with the United States. Sometimes paying is strategic and sometimes one simply thinks it is the right thing to do. Other times, however, you pay now to save money in the future. “Why do you deserve to be here any more than I do, someone born and raised here?“ -- It is not a question of deserving or not deserving, but of following the procedures established by the United States of America for legal immigration into the country. If the U.S. had told me, no thanks, peace, I would have left. I think I deserve to be handsome, but I am short and ugly. That's the way it is. “Do you think the deportation forces if they come to your home or workplace and have questions about your legal status will be understanding of the fact you weren’t born here?” -- Yes, I do. And if they don't understand, I'm not a citizen (yet -- I applied) and I understand that the U.S. government is allowing me to stay here and I could be “deported” under the laws and regulations of the United States of America. “Can we trust that the courts will give you due process when now having to handle quadruple the case load as before?” -- If the occurrence of mistakes, which are inherently inevitable, did not allow actions to be pursued, no one would do anything. "This is a country built on immigration." -- Would this lead to welcome with open arms everyone who wants to immigrate in the US? Should Australia, given their original Western stock, welcome criminals from all over the world, or maybe just England? The past should inform, but certainly not dictate. Should your ex-partner, since they loved you at some point in the past, love you forever? The pro-illegal-whatever-immigration are scared of saying what they think, that is that they are good and kind people and the others are ugly and mean. But the real world is not a feeling-good novel, I am sorry.

kemotep 2y ago
Well I hope the worst does not come to past and if you are deported it goes as amicably and procedural as you describe. I do not think dehumanizing people leads to peaceful and productive outcomes. The mass deportation plan does not address the humanitarian issues nor do I think it will solve all the problems it claims to, while creating many more problems. If you still haven’t I highly recommend you read the linked article in my original comment reply. The past doesn’t dictate the future but what the past teaches us is these moments of mass forced deportation rarely turns out well.
- anthony_d 2y ago
  The constant stream of incendiary rhetoric isn’t doing anyone any good. Your link is just another “people who disagree with me are nazis” post. It makes wild assertions. Lies and insults aren’t productive, they don’t change policy. The parent post made it clear they are an immigrant following the process; there has been zero discussion of deporting legal immigrants from any of the incoming administration. Disagreeing with mass deportation is a perfectly reasonable take, but spreading hate isn’t the way to improve things.
  - kemotep 2y ago
    Could you please provide a less incendiary source to break down the costs and potential processes involved in a mass deportation of illegal immigrants in the United States? Certainly it is important for everyone to have a productive discussion about this with less inflammatory information. Otherwise I ignore the Nazi comments and get to the heart of arguments presented. Which in my opinion has pretty compelling reasons for why one should oppose the potential plan for mass deportation Trump’s administration has mentioned.
  - consteval 2y ago
    > there has been zero discussion of deporting legal immigrants from any of the incoming administration FYI this isn't true - Trump has spoken on denaturalization and Tom Homan (appointed by Trump) has spoken about deporting citizens who have family which are illegal. The unfortunate reality is that the immigration rhetoric has nothing to do with economics or crime, rather they are a scapegoat. Fascist rhetoric relies on a ethnic minority to blame a nation's troubles on, and Trump has chosen those from latin America. Immigration is just a vehicle to get this ideology into your home and on your TV set, but it's not the goal. Ultimately, everyone is aware mass deportation won't make anything better for anyone. It won't help our economy, our deficit, our labor, or our crime.

kemotep 2y ago

Well I hope the worst does not come to past and if you are deported it goes as amicably and procedural as you describe. I do not think dehumanizing people leads to peaceful and productive outcomes. The mass deportation plan does not address the humanitarian issues nor do I think it will solve all the problems it claims to, while creating many more problems. If you still haven’t I highly recommend you read the linked article in my original comment reply. The past doesn’t dictate the future but what the past teaches us is these moments of mass forced deportation rarely turns out well.

anthony_d 2y ago
The constant stream of incendiary rhetoric isn’t doing anyone any good. Your link is just another “people who disagree with me are nazis” post. It makes wild assertions. Lies and insults aren’t productive, they don’t change policy. The parent post made it clear they are an immigrant following the process; there has been zero discussion of deporting legal immigrants from any of the incoming administration. Disagreeing with mass deportation is a perfectly reasonable take, but spreading hate isn’t the way to improve things.
- kemotep 2y ago
  Could you please provide a less incendiary source to break down the costs and potential processes involved in a mass deportation of illegal immigrants in the United States? Certainly it is important for everyone to have a productive discussion about this with less inflammatory information. Otherwise I ignore the Nazi comments and get to the heart of arguments presented. Which in my opinion has pretty compelling reasons for why one should oppose the potential plan for mass deportation Trump’s administration has mentioned.
- consteval 2y ago
  > there has been zero discussion of deporting legal immigrants from any of the incoming administration FYI this isn't true - Trump has spoken on denaturalization and Tom Homan (appointed by Trump) has spoken about deporting citizens who have family which are illegal. The unfortunate reality is that the immigration rhetoric has nothing to do with economics or crime, rather they are a scapegoat. Fascist rhetoric relies on a ethnic minority to blame a nation's troubles on, and Trump has chosen those from latin America. Immigration is just a vehicle to get this ideology into your home and on your TV set, but it's not the goal. Ultimately, everyone is aware mass deportation won't make anything better for anyone. It won't help our economy, our deficit, our labor, or our crime.