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Really wish people were migrating to Mastodon, or even to Threads, since Threads can federate. IMHO, the lesson from the corruption of Twitter should be don't

Really wish people were migrating to Mastodon, or even to Threads, since Threads can federate. IMHO, the lesson from the corruption of Twitter should be don't build your social network on a proprietary walled garden.

cosmic_cheese 2y ago
I like Mastodon better too, but non-technical users seem to find it too complicated/nerdy. Threads is easy to use but apparently suppresses posts containing political content and perhaps as a result of inheriting Instagram's userbase, has an issue with users accusing other users of posting engagement bait, which isn’t conducive to building and sustaining a community. Mastodon and Threads have also been comparatively slow/reluctant to respond to community feedback. With Mastodon this is understandable because it’s open source and resources are limited, but with Threads that’s not a problem which suggests it’s intentional.
Funes- 2y ago
"The corruption of Twitter"? Whenabout do you pinpoint that? For me, it took place when the platform went from being a place where virtually every user was just a regular person and it got raided and invaded by corporate media, "celebrities" and politicians, so pretty soon. Shortly afterwards it began curtailing freedom of speech heavily by way of very suspicious and surreptitious means (deplatforming, suppression of ideas, removal of posts, shadowbanning, penalizing certain keywords, collaborating with governments to silence opposition and dissent, etcetera). Only since Elon Musk took over all of those vile tactics went out the window globally, though I admit I don't like the walled-garden nature of it all one bit, but at least one can express oneself there more or less freely now, and community notes are truly a boon to every sane individual--albeit certainly not to legacy media and woke cultists. With regards to federation, I think in this case it just takes the worst of both worlds, but to each their own. I'd prefer a truly decentralized approach.
- mrbombastic 2y ago
  Musk still does those things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi... he just has to be prodded a bit more (read it affects his wallet) or it has to be in favor of his particular politics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his-x-social-media-platform-to-amplify-right-wing-views https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses.... If you want to see the outcome of an unmoderated platform without consequences or accountability see how anonymous message boards evolve every time. Society and face to face discussion has its own inherent methods of moderation so I don’t really understand this absolutist desire for an anonymous town square we can all yell vitriol at each other. And twitter isn’t even that.
  - Funes- 2y ago
    >Musk still does those things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi... he just has to be prodded a bit more (read it affects his wallet) or it has to be in favor of his particular politics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses.... He doesn't. You didn't link to anything regarding what I explicitly mentioned. How dishonest of you (no surprise there). In fact, I knew someone would have the very same knee-jerk reaction you had and link that wikipedia article or a similar one. Go ahead, downvote me all you want. Silence my post just like Twitter used to do with non-woke standpoints. You won't have provided any real arguments to counter my original post, still. You're pointing to a whole other problem there: complying with court orders. And you can thank Lula for that. >I don’t really understand this absolutist desire for an anonymous town square we can all yell vitriol at each other. That's quite a ridiculous way of caricaturizing free speech. Whenever the truth emerges through the filth, it's "vitriol" and "hate speech" for your delusional lot. Wokeness lost. Own it. Now everyone can see everything for what it is, with no corporate, partisan or governmental censors trying to manipulate reality to fit their abject narrative.
    - mrbombastic 2y ago
      “collaborating with governments to silence opposition and dissent” he reinstated the ban of opposition accounts in brazil at behest of Brazilian government. not sure how much more direct an example I could give.
ASalazarMX 2y ago
Threads is another train wreck waiting to happen. The expected purpose of Meta can't be other than capturing a new data well.

cosmic_cheese 2y ago

I like Mastodon better too, but non-technical users seem to find it too complicated/nerdy. Threads is easy to use but apparently suppresses posts containing political content and perhaps as a result of inheriting Instagram's userbase, has an issue with users accusing other users of posting engagement bait, which isn’t conducive to building and sustaining a community. Mastodon and Threads have also been comparatively slow/reluctant to respond to community feedback. With Mastodon this is understandable because it’s open source and resources are limited, but with Threads that’s not a problem which suggests it’s intentional.

Funes- 2y ago

"The corruption of Twitter"? Whenabout do you pinpoint that? For me, it took place when the platform went from being a place where virtually every user was just a regular person and it got raided and invaded by corporate media, "celebrities" and politicians, so pretty soon. Shortly afterwards it began curtailing freedom of speech heavily by way of very suspicious and surreptitious means (deplatforming, suppression of ideas, removal of posts, shadowbanning, penalizing certain keywords, collaborating with governments to silence opposition and dissent, etcetera). Only since Elon Musk took over all of those vile tactics went out the window globally, though I admit I don't like the walled-garden nature of it all one bit, but at least one can express oneself there more or less freely now, and community notes are truly a boon to every sane individual--albeit certainly not to legacy media and woke cultists. With regards to federation, I think in this case it just takes the worst of both worlds, but to each their own. I'd prefer a truly decentralized approach.

mrbombastic 2y ago
Musk still does those things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi... he just has to be prodded a bit more (read it affects his wallet) or it has to be in favor of his particular politics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his-x-social-media-platform-to-amplify-right-wing-views https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses.... If you want to see the outcome of an unmoderated platform without consequences or accountability see how anonymous message boards evolve every time. Society and face to face discussion has its own inherent methods of moderation so I don’t really understand this absolutist desire for an anonymous town square we can all yell vitriol at each other. And twitter isn’t even that.
- Funes- 2y ago
  >Musk still does those things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazi... he just has to be prodded a bit more (read it affects his wallet) or it has to be in favor of his particular politics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-elon-musk-uses.... He doesn't. You didn't link to anything regarding what I explicitly mentioned. How dishonest of you (no surprise there). In fact, I knew someone would have the very same knee-jerk reaction you had and link that wikipedia article or a similar one. Go ahead, downvote me all you want. Silence my post just like Twitter used to do with non-woke standpoints. You won't have provided any real arguments to counter my original post, still. You're pointing to a whole other problem there: complying with court orders. And you can thank Lula for that. >I don’t really understand this absolutist desire for an anonymous town square we can all yell vitriol at each other. That's quite a ridiculous way of caricaturizing free speech. Whenever the truth emerges through the filth, it's "vitriol" and "hate speech" for your delusional lot. Wokeness lost. Own it. Now everyone can see everything for what it is, with no corporate, partisan or governmental censors trying to manipulate reality to fit their abject narrative.
  - mrbombastic 2y ago
    “collaborating with governments to silence opposition and dissent” he reinstated the ban of opposition accounts in brazil at behest of Brazilian government. not sure how much more direct an example I could give.

ASalazarMX 2y ago

Threads is another train wreck waiting to happen. The expected purpose of Meta can't be other than capturing a new data well.