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It’s like the bar exam for lawyers. It bears absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the actual job and the work you will be doing. It’s a pointless ritual. An
by dmvdoug 2y ago
It’s like the bar exam for lawyers. It bears absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the actual job and the work you will be doing. It’s a pointless ritual. And the point of the above story is that the person performed the ritual and then promptly forgot all the words once they succeeded. It illustrates the pointlessness.
- ForHackernews 2y agoIt's not a pointless ritual. It tests for determination, grit, and willingness to grind on difficult, frustrating and ultimately value-free tasks. All crucial skills in the modern technology or legal workplace.
- dmvdoug 2y agoI was a lawyer. I passed the bar exam (first try, no less). I practiced. The bar exam does none of what you claimed for it. Now, I offered it here as an analogy, but I am not a software developer. It just sounded akin to what I do know from my own experience and from talking to literally hundreds of other lawyers, law school professors, judges and their clerks. So maybe it’s not a good analogy to software development. I don’t know.
- tshaddox 2y agoAnd by that argument, difficult big tech system design interviews are interchangeable with bar examinations.
- raydev 2y agoI actually think we should keep the system design interviews because they are closer to what I've actually experienced and researched in service of my work. The leetcodes feel completely unrelated.
- pessimizer 2y ago> It's not a pointless ritual. It tests for determination, grit, and willingness to grind on difficult, frustrating and ultimately value-free tasks. This is what people say whenever one criticizes the methodology of any test. They say that the real test was actually the friends we made along the way. The real test was the degree to which you are willing to humiliate yourself, or to accomplish things you don't understand the purpose of, or to accomplish things that you do understand the purpose of but disagree with logically or morally. We filter for the worst, most damaged, and most desperate people.
- Y_Y 2y ago> We filter for the worst, most damaged, and most desperate people. These are probably the best candidates, from the perspective of a manager who is concerned with stability and not rocking the boat, at the cost of results and workplace quality.
- vharuck 2y agoI feel like you forgot the "/sarcasm" at the end.
- Apocryphon 2y agoAt least you only have to pass the bar once.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoUnless you move.
- jjav 2y ago> It’s like the bar exam for lawyers. At least lawyers don't have to take the bar every other year for the rest of their careers.