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Because India is close to the equator, the environment has a greater carrying capacity than the kinds of first-world, northern nations that the author is used t
by grandalf 14y ago
Because India is close to the equator, the environment has a greater carrying capacity than the kinds of first-world, northern nations that the author is used to.
Thus, for this reason alone, India is likely to have a different ratio of people to development, since less development is required to sustain one person's resource utilization.
Contrast this to the US where much of the country is snow covered for 1/3 of the year and without planning and infrastructure to enable it, there would be very little food available during the winter. In the US the infrastructure is a requirement for even moderate population growth.
The same applies to shelter. In India, a hut made of newspaper is adequate shelter year round. Try that in the Northern US and you'll freeze.
The result of this is that there are more poor people who do not rely as much on large scale planning and infrastructure for their basic survival.
Yes India's government is corrupt, but not all that much more corrupt than the US government.
If you want to talk about rights for the poor, in India if someone isn't using land and you set up a tent on it and start living there, you can't be evicted. The shantytowns that the author found so disturbing are actually a side-effect of India's weak property rights laws, which themselves are a result of democratic pressure from the poor to continue living where their families have lived for generations. Contrast this to the genocide the US conducted against native Americans who were in the way.
Basic infrastructure (roads, sewers) is lacking in India, but those are not easy projects to bootstrap. Bangalore has a massive sewer construction project going on now.
Frankly, it's not all that bad. Sure the garbage smells bad, but it's mostly just a matter of learning not to keep inhaling after you catch a whiff of something rank on the breeze.
If you are concerned about India's political infrastructure, notice that India's rulers are forming alliances with the US to help thwart Pakistan's nuclear ambitions. Note that once the US has a stake in one ruling party it tends to do much to prop up and empower that party, even if there are horrible human rights consequences.
When I go to India I notice the energy. People sit happily beneath a dirty tarp in a roadside food stand, enjoying Manchurian Gobi... sometimes 4 or 5 people sharing one bowl of the delicious spicy food. Smiles everywhere. These are extremely poor people. Also I notice the tiny businesses, some retail locations are only a few square feet in size but sell a variety of goods and are staffed by a single motivated shopkeeper who works 18+ hour days.
India is full of hard working people and ingenuity. I found the author's generalizations about dishonesty, etc., quite offensive.
Consider how much effort is undertaken in the US to hide poverty from view. Sadly the US ends up putting a very large percentage of its poor population in prisons and has relocated many to horrific housing projects, where the violence and horrors are contained away from view.
Consider how much effort is undertaken in the US to present the appearance of legit, non-corrupt institutions. Yet fraud abounds at all levels of government. The stuff Wikileaks exposed about the US is nothing more than fraud, dishonesty, and corruption.
- free 14y agoThank you for taking the time to write this. I come across articles and opinions like this all the time and always feel a little offended, but I do not know exactly what triggers that. Maybe its because I notice the progress happening, the hard work people put in, only to read articles and opinions that portray the situation so negatively.
- ankit28595 14y agoMaybe because you are after all an Indian. Some foreigner talking shit about your nation, well, hurts.
- ttrt 14y agoMaybe you should let that emotion go, it will inevitably affect your thinking.
- kodablah 14y agoWhy are the generalizations about dishonesty offensive? The author seems to draw conclusions from his experiences and those around him. Much of your comment seems akin to "Yes, there are bad problems, but look over there, they have problems too." The defense against the poverty or dishonesty arguments shouldn't just be a juxtaposition against the US.
- asto 14y agoBecause India is close to the equator, the environment has a greater carrying capacity than the kinds of first-world, northern nations that the author is used to. Citation? The same applies to shelter. In India, a hut made of newspaper is adequate shelter year round. Try that in the Northern US and you'll freeze. If a newspaper is enough in India, why are so many people dying of being cold year after year? https://www.google.co.in/search?q=cold+wave+india+dead https://www.google.co.in/search?q=cold+wave+india+dead The years that aren't very cold, there are heat waves that kill. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=heat+wave+india+dead https://www.google.co.in/search?q=heat+wave+india+dead Yes India's government is corrupt, but not all that much more corrupt than the US government. In India, if you walk into a govt office for anything, you will end up paying a bribe. Want a driving license? Bribe. Want a building plan approved? Bribe. Want to incorporate a company? Bribe. Maybe we can have HN'ers from different developed countries tell us if the situation is anything like this in their countries. From what I can see, corruption in developed countries is mostly big ticket, not every tom, dick and harry in the country trying to part you from your money every chance they get. Contrast this to the genocide the US conducted against native Americans who were in the way. Back when American natives were being killed, widows in India were being burnt alive by their own families in the name of tradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice) Sure the garbage smells bad, but it's mostly just a matter of learning not to keep inhaling after you catch a whiff of something rank on the breeze. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYING?