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This article is much of what's wrong in discourse. First it calls its opponents silly and stupid ("inane"), then is labels the opposing side of spreading "anti-

This article is much of what's wrong in discourse. First it calls its opponents silly and stupid ("inane"), then is labels the opposing side of spreading "anti-EV myths", and then it actually examines the arguments and finds that they're actually valid. Trash.

Mainan_Tagonist 2y ago
The evolution of Ars Technica into what it has become today is much of the reason why I'd much rather read HN. More often than not, the technical discussions here flies way above my head, but at least (except for the political ones), i do not feel like everything has to be turned into a "Black vs White, Good vs Evil, Smart vs Stupid" destruction of the counter-arguing party's arguments, and I usually learn something valuable along the way.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  I'm treating it as a news platform where Eric Berger happens to post articles :)
pfdietz 2y ago
Many of the arguments are silly and stupid. It's not wrong to call something what it is, especially when those propagating the arguments seem to be so immune to correction. They clearly aren't operating in good faith, but rather, at best, latch onto an argument whose conclusion they like without bothering to check if the argument makes any sense.
- rascul 2y ago
  The arguments are not silly and stupid. The author is dismissive and demeaning seemingly without actually attempting to understand the arguments. The author could have adopted a better tone and maybe convinced some people instead of putting them off.
  - Gabrys1 2y ago
    The escape quickly argument is a good one to challenge. You'd be better off with a full tank of gas, and it's the same with EV, charge to 100%. All good, but I can pump my car to 100% in 5 minutes (plus 10 minutes drive to a gas station and back) and I simply can't do it with an EV. Either you're slow charging at home for hours, or driving 10-20 minutes to the DC charger to spend even more minutes charging...
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      I find the range argument silly - if I start with a full tank and drive my car until the tank is exhausted, I'll be exhausted too and need several hours of rest. In the case of an EV, I'll just plug it in and charge overnight while I rest and recharge myself. I can't remember a single ICE car I have driven that I could safely use up the tank in a single drive - If I could, I'd be the king of Le Mans. The only issue is the possible surprise long drive, when you need to jump into your car and drive for a long time immediately. It's doable with an ICE and not great with an EV.
      - rascul 2y ago
        > I find the range argument silly - if I start with a full tank and drive my car until the tank is exhausted, I'll be exhausted too and need several hours of rest. This seems odd to me. Several times a month I drive more miles in a day than I can get out of one tank of fuel and I don't get exhausted from it. Maybe I have good driving stamina though, I don't know.
        rbanffy 2y ago
        My current car does 700+km on one tank. At constant 100Km/h it'd be 7+ hours. It wouldn't even be legal to drive that long in one go.
        rascul 2y ago
        Legal here. I do about 600 miles a few times per month. Takes me 9-10 hours.

Mainan_Tagonist 2y ago

The evolution of Ars Technica into what it has become today is much of the reason why I'd much rather read HN. More often than not, the technical discussions here flies way above my head, but at least (except for the political ones), i do not feel like everything has to be turned into a "Black vs White, Good vs Evil, Smart vs Stupid" destruction of the counter-arguing party's arguments, and I usually learn something valuable along the way.

Yizahi 2y ago
I'm treating it as a news platform where Eric Berger happens to post articles :)

pfdietz 2y ago

Many of the arguments are silly and stupid. It's not wrong to call something what it is, especially when those propagating the arguments seem to be so immune to correction. They clearly aren't operating in good faith, but rather, at best, latch onto an argument whose conclusion they like without bothering to check if the argument makes any sense.

rascul 2y ago
The arguments are not silly and stupid. The author is dismissive and demeaning seemingly without actually attempting to understand the arguments. The author could have adopted a better tone and maybe convinced some people instead of putting them off.
- Gabrys1 2y ago
  The escape quickly argument is a good one to challenge. You'd be better off with a full tank of gas, and it's the same with EV, charge to 100%. All good, but I can pump my car to 100% in 5 minutes (plus 10 minutes drive to a gas station and back) and I simply can't do it with an EV. Either you're slow charging at home for hours, or driving 10-20 minutes to the DC charger to spend even more minutes charging...
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    I find the range argument silly - if I start with a full tank and drive my car until the tank is exhausted, I'll be exhausted too and need several hours of rest. In the case of an EV, I'll just plug it in and charge overnight while I rest and recharge myself. I can't remember a single ICE car I have driven that I could safely use up the tank in a single drive - If I could, I'd be the king of Le Mans. The only issue is the possible surprise long drive, when you need to jump into your car and drive for a long time immediately. It's doable with an ICE and not great with an EV.
    - rascul 2y ago
      > I find the range argument silly - if I start with a full tank and drive my car until the tank is exhausted, I'll be exhausted too and need several hours of rest. This seems odd to me. Several times a month I drive more miles in a day than I can get out of one tank of fuel and I don't get exhausted from it. Maybe I have good driving stamina though, I don't know.
      - rbanffy 2y ago
        My current car does 700+km on one tank. At constant 100Km/h it'd be 7+ hours. It wouldn't even be legal to drive that long in one go.
        rascul 2y ago
        Legal here. I do about 600 miles a few times per month. Takes me 9-10 hours.