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oh nice - reminds me of DDD(1) DDD was like magic first time I saw it. Oh wow - DDD is still maintained ?? :-D 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Display_D

oh nice - reminds me of DDD(1) DDD was like magic first time I saw it. Oh wow - DDD is still maintained ?? :-D 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Display_Debugger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Display_Debugger 2 https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/

j1elo 2y ago
DDD was taught to me when in University, 20 years ago, and it already felt clunky, my views are now much more moderate but Motif still feels like an eyesore. Conversations over the years have shown me that DDD was a great inverse marketing tool, ironically pushing developers towards the embedded debugger UI in their favorite IDEs... despite DDD itself being indeed very powerful. But even "usefulness over aesthetics" has its limits!
- donaldihunter 2y ago
  Yeah, I remember DDD being an incredible tool back in the day, but it was clunky even when it was new (1995). https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/manual/pdf/ddd-paper.pdf https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/manual/pdf/ddd-paper.pdf
- synergy20 2y ago
  motif does not work well with high resolution display, sadly
  - anthk 2y ago
    Motif today supportṡ TTF and for the HD issues, you can the DPI option for X11 at ~/.Xdefaults
  - hulitu 2y ago
    Citation needed. I use Motif programs without issues on high resolution displays.
- anthk 2y ago
  Current DDD under the updated OpenMotif with TTF fonts can look much better than it did in the 90's and 00's, miles ahead than LessTif/former propietary Motif. It blends perfectly with EMWM where I have Liberation Sans/Mono for almost everything.
- dirkf 2y ago
  There's one DDD feature that I haven't found elsewhere: its graphical representation of a struct and its contents. You can double-click on a pointer field and then it draws whatever that field pointed to, with a nice arrow connecting the two. I've found it a very powerful yet compact way to visualize the state of a program when debugging.
  - jlintz 2y ago
    yes! this was so great in college to learn pointers and visualize linked lists
  - malkia 2y ago
    Reminds of SmallTalk / and Lisp's - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Interface_Manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Interface_Manager There was even a story, that (at least for Common Lisp), you can start from almost blank state, but have an exception handler installed (that can continue), so as you go you live-edit and add pieces missing, or if code crashes change. This is all good, until nowadays, where you really want to know what's deployed in production, and not just the last stuff I've live fixed. I mean, I guess both have values tbh, but hard to pull two models like this and use... bit like - debugger or printf statements (or both!)
bitwize 2y ago
And it still uses Motif! Awesome!
mark_undoio 2y ago
I love that DDD has a variety of graphical visualisations built in. I always thought the ability to data structures was particularly cool. A while ago there was a project to port it to GTK3 but I think that went away. I'm glad the mainline project is still going.
- mech422 2y ago
  yeah - the 'data display' part was the real killer feature :-)
jandrese 2y ago
I always liked the concept with DDD, but I could never keep it from crashing more than the program I was trying to fix.
- ta988 2y ago
  It is much better now.
begriffs 2y ago
> DDD is still maintained? Absolutely. I wrote about its features here https://begriffs.com/posts/2022-07-17-debugging-gdb-ddd.html https://begriffs.com/posts/2022-07-17-debugging-gdb-ddd.html Since the article was written, the maintainers fixed the issues I pointed out. No need for many of those workarounds now. Versions 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 are substantial.
- canucker2016 2y ago
  Is there any URL that lists what's new in v3.4.0 and v3.4.1? The DDD website ( https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ ) points to the source tar.gz and the full manual, but nothing that says "What's New" in recent versions.
  - JNRowe 2y ago
    Might not be as direct as you'd like, but all well managed¹ GNU projects ship a NEWS file in their tarball. In this case you can also read it from savannah² without fetching the tarball. ¹ https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#NEWS-File https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#NEWS-File ² https://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/ddd/trunk/doc/NEWS?view=markup https://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/ddd/trunk/doc/NEWS?view=...
anonymousiam 2y ago
DDD is great. I still use it, but I am a fossil. I sought out DDD when I was looking for something similar to dbxtool, which I used on the early Sun Microsystems machines. Folks today are spoiled with things such as Source Level Debugging.
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slashdave 2y ago
Coming from VMS at the time, I was confused why there was no decent full screen interface to gdb. DDD was such a disappointment in this regard.
Jach 2y ago
For me it reminds me of Insight, which was my favorite GDB front-end and worked great on Windows back in the cygwin era. Unfortunately it's definitely no longer maintained. https://sourceware.org/insight/screenshots.php https://sourceware.org/insight/screenshots.php (Well, I guess someone did rescue it to put it on github and do some work: https://github.com/antony-jr/insight https://github.com/antony-jr/insight )

j1elo 2y ago

DDD was taught to me when in University, 20 years ago, and it already felt clunky, my views are now much more moderate but Motif still feels like an eyesore. Conversations over the years have shown me that DDD was a great inverse marketing tool, ironically pushing developers towards the embedded debugger UI in their favorite IDEs... despite DDD itself being indeed very powerful. But even "usefulness over aesthetics" has its limits!

donaldihunter 2y ago
Yeah, I remember DDD being an incredible tool back in the day, but it was clunky even when it was new (1995). https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/manual/pdf/ddd-paper.pdf https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/manual/pdf/ddd-paper.pdf
synergy20 2y ago
motif does not work well with high resolution display, sadly
- anthk 2y ago
  Motif today supportṡ TTF and for the HD issues, you can the DPI option for X11 at ~/.Xdefaults
- hulitu 2y ago
  Citation needed. I use Motif programs without issues on high resolution displays.
anthk 2y ago
Current DDD under the updated OpenMotif with TTF fonts can look much better than it did in the 90's and 00's, miles ahead than LessTif/former propietary Motif. It blends perfectly with EMWM where I have Liberation Sans/Mono for almost everything.
dirkf 2y ago
There's one DDD feature that I haven't found elsewhere: its graphical representation of a struct and its contents. You can double-click on a pointer field and then it draws whatever that field pointed to, with a nice arrow connecting the two. I've found it a very powerful yet compact way to visualize the state of a program when debugging.
- jlintz 2y ago
  yes! this was so great in college to learn pointers and visualize linked lists
- malkia 2y ago
  Reminds of SmallTalk / and Lisp's - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Interface_Manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Interface_Manager There was even a story, that (at least for Common Lisp), you can start from almost blank state, but have an exception handler installed (that can continue), so as you go you live-edit and add pieces missing, or if code crashes change. This is all good, until nowadays, where you really want to know what's deployed in production, and not just the last stuff I've live fixed. I mean, I guess both have values tbh, but hard to pull two models like this and use... bit like - debugger or printf statements (or both!)

bitwize 2y ago

And it still uses Motif! Awesome!

mark_undoio 2y ago

I love that DDD has a variety of graphical visualisations built in. I always thought the ability to data structures was particularly cool. A while ago there was a project to port it to GTK3 but I think that went away. I'm glad the mainline project is still going.

mech422 2y ago
yeah - the 'data display' part was the real killer feature :-)

jandrese 2y ago

I always liked the concept with DDD, but I could never keep it from crashing more than the program I was trying to fix.

ta988 2y ago
It is much better now.

begriffs 2y ago

> DDD is still maintained? Absolutely. I wrote about its features here https://begriffs.com/posts/2022-07-17-debugging-gdb-ddd.html https://begriffs.com/posts/2022-07-17-debugging-gdb-ddd.html Since the article was written, the maintainers fixed the issues I pointed out. No need for many of those workarounds now. Versions 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 are substantial.

canucker2016 2y ago
Is there any URL that lists what's new in v3.4.0 and v3.4.1? The DDD website ( https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ ) points to the source tar.gz and the full manual, but nothing that says "What's New" in recent versions.
- JNRowe 2y ago
  Might not be as direct as you'd like, but all well managed¹ GNU projects ship a NEWS file in their tarball. In this case you can also read it from savannah² without fetching the tarball. ¹ https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#NEWS-File https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#NEWS-File ² https://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/ddd/trunk/doc/NEWS?view=markup https://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/ddd/trunk/doc/NEWS?view=...

anonymousiam 2y ago

DDD is great. I still use it, but I am a fossil. I sought out DDD when I was looking for something similar to dbxtool, which I used on the early Sun Microsystems machines. Folks today are spoiled with things such as Source Level Debugging.

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slashdave 2y ago

Coming from VMS at the time, I was confused why there was no decent full screen interface to gdb. DDD was such a disappointment in this regard.

Jach 2y ago

For me it reminds me of Insight, which was my favorite GDB front-end and worked great on Windows back in the cygwin era. Unfortunately it's definitely no longer maintained. https://sourceware.org/insight/screenshots.php https://sourceware.org/insight/screenshots.php (Well, I guess someone did rescue it to put it on github and do some work: https://github.com/antony-jr/insight https://github.com/antony-jr/insight )