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They still would because the holes typically are very shallow, and half filled with toilet paper. The next significant rainfall that comes around, there's soil

They still would because the holes typically are very shallow, and half filled with toilet paper. The next significant rainfall that comes around, there's soiled paper all strewn about the mud.

lukan 2y ago
Done the right way, they are deep enough. A stick or stone lying around is usually enough to do that much digging.
- h0l0cube 2y ago
  If people would just do it ‘the right way’ I wouldn’t see this happening. Another ‘right way’ is to use a portable bidet, or a spray bottle. Not for everyone
  - lukan 2y ago
    Or having a small shovel in the car. But like I said, I think it should be taught in schools. As I also wittness the lack of this knowledge.
    - h0l0cube 2y ago
      > Or having a small shovel in the car. A sharp enough fold-up shovel becomes necessary kit when dealing with compacted dry soil. > I think it should be taught in schools. If a solution involves 'If everyone would just X', it's very unlikely that actually 'everyone would just X', at least not without significant incentive. Education definitely has a role to play in making 'more people just X' by changing peoples' value judgements.
      - lukan 2y ago
        "at least not without significant incentive." I do have a significant incentive to not leave my shit lying around, as I also want to go the forest in the future. Most people do. Only some don't give a shit at all - the main problem here is simply not knowing how to behave if in the forest, if it never was shown to you. A proper toilet is the standard and expected. And when there is no toilet? Too embarrassing to even talk about .. so quick behind a bush, quick a piece of paper, has no one seen it? Now quick away and pretend it didn't happen. That is the usual modus operandi of civilized people feeling a natural desire in the woords. Simply getting a lesson in school would normalize it.
        h0l0cube 2y ago
        You’re probably right

They still would because the holes typically are very shallow, and half filled with toilet paper. The next significant rainfall that comes around, there's soiled paper all strewn about the mud.

lukan 2y ago

Done the right way, they are deep enough. A stick or stone lying around is usually enough to do that much digging.

h0l0cube 2y ago
If people would just do it ‘the right way’ I wouldn’t see this happening. Another ‘right way’ is to use a portable bidet, or a spray bottle. Not for everyone
- lukan 2y ago
  Or having a small shovel in the car. But like I said, I think it should be taught in schools. As I also wittness the lack of this knowledge.
  - h0l0cube 2y ago
    > Or having a small shovel in the car. A sharp enough fold-up shovel becomes necessary kit when dealing with compacted dry soil. > I think it should be taught in schools. If a solution involves 'If everyone would just X', it's very unlikely that actually 'everyone would just X', at least not without significant incentive. Education definitely has a role to play in making 'more people just X' by changing peoples' value judgements.
    - lukan 2y ago
      "at least not without significant incentive." I do have a significant incentive to not leave my shit lying around, as I also want to go the forest in the future. Most people do. Only some don't give a shit at all - the main problem here is simply not knowing how to behave if in the forest, if it never was shown to you. A proper toilet is the standard and expected. And when there is no toilet? Too embarrassing to even talk about .. so quick behind a bush, quick a piece of paper, has no one seen it? Now quick away and pretend it didn't happen. That is the usual modus operandi of civilized people feeling a natural desire in the woords. Simply getting a lesson in school would normalize it.
      - h0l0cube 2y ago
        You’re probably right