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While I appreciate your workarounds, the issue is not fixed. Almost everyone is going to keep clicking these stupid banners. It’s not okay, it’s not fixed until

While I appreciate your workarounds, the issue is not fixed. Almost everyone is going to keep clicking these stupid banners. It’s not okay, it’s not fixed until the rules are adjusted and we have less tracking and’s less pointless banners.

seeknotfind 2y ago
So many pop-ups these days, for every little thing. Tracking. OS permissions. Browser permissions. Take a survey. Speak to our AI assistant. Do you agree to this. Donate. Sign up. Pay. So many clicks. Used to be viruses, but we have the same result with our complexity.
- deprecative 2y ago
  It's not complex. It's simple. It's greed. It's absolutely ridiculous that we as a species put up with all of this nonsense because we have a faulty foundational understanding of what is and should be normal. The brain rot that we've subjected ourselves to is absolutely ludicrous.
  - seeknotfind 2y ago
    You can always find disagreement if you look for it. Maybe this is your thing, given user name, your account makes an interesting study on it. Though in this case, I wouldn't be so reductive. Not all complexity (I ascribe to the result) is due to bad intentions (e.g. greed). There's also the EU GDPR trying to protect kids. AI assistant might be a tool to try to help users. If you want to simplify the cause here, how about a lack of focus or failure to tame the complexity of the world with our technologies, or tendency to add rather than delete?
    - deprecative 2y ago
      Why do we need to protect kids? Greed. Why do we need AI to help people? Greed. It's not complex. There are complex things but understanding the cause of business doing business is not complex. It's simple.
      - seeknotfind 2y ago
        If you break things down in this way, the result is discontent, not a solution.
- Gud 2y ago
  Most of them I don’t get because I don’t use a user hostile operating system. And it’s not really complexity, it’s deliberate choices being made. The internet used to be run by technologists. Now it’s run by project managers and web monkeys
freeone3000 2y ago
So remove the consent exception against tracking? Simply make it illegal, banner or no?
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  It’s not a tracking banner but a cookie banner and some applications have a legitimate need for cookies. They abuse what is legitimate, but you can’t ask regulators to check every site without a national (European?) white liste firewall (shouldn’t give them ideas…). Also, most tracking used to use cookies but if that becomes illegal there’s others ways.
  - idle_zealot 2y ago
    Cookies necessary to function properly don't require consent. It's only optional ones (ones that benefit the site, not the user).
    - creer 2y ago
      And these (optional ones) don't require a banner.
      - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
        How do you figure? How does the user opt in or out without an option to opt in or out?
        creer 2y ago
        the same way that they interact with any other web page? which never need banners? You don't need a banner to opt in or out (or ignore). By this I mean the law is what it is but the implementation is deliberately hurting the visitors in the hope that they will click "yeah sure whatever" to be let through to the content. The harm does not come from the legislation but is deliberately anti-user by the web site owner. (Fine, in some cases it might be out of the box and merely lazy.)
coldpie 2y ago
You're right, but I can't fix that. What I can do is help HN readers who didn't know about that filter list. Maybe they can help the people they know.
- Gud 2y ago
  I’m happy! I didn’t know about it! Thx

seeknotfind 2y ago

So many pop-ups these days, for every little thing. Tracking. OS permissions. Browser permissions. Take a survey. Speak to our AI assistant. Do you agree to this. Donate. Sign up. Pay. So many clicks. Used to be viruses, but we have the same result with our complexity.

deprecative 2y ago
It's not complex. It's simple. It's greed. It's absolutely ridiculous that we as a species put up with all of this nonsense because we have a faulty foundational understanding of what is and should be normal. The brain rot that we've subjected ourselves to is absolutely ludicrous.
- seeknotfind 2y ago
  You can always find disagreement if you look for it. Maybe this is your thing, given user name, your account makes an interesting study on it. Though in this case, I wouldn't be so reductive. Not all complexity (I ascribe to the result) is due to bad intentions (e.g. greed). There's also the EU GDPR trying to protect kids. AI assistant might be a tool to try to help users. If you want to simplify the cause here, how about a lack of focus or failure to tame the complexity of the world with our technologies, or tendency to add rather than delete?
  - deprecative 2y ago
    Why do we need to protect kids? Greed. Why do we need AI to help people? Greed. It's not complex. There are complex things but understanding the cause of business doing business is not complex. It's simple.
    - seeknotfind 2y ago
      If you break things down in this way, the result is discontent, not a solution.
Gud 2y ago
Most of them I don’t get because I don’t use a user hostile operating system. And it’s not really complexity, it’s deliberate choices being made. The internet used to be run by technologists. Now it’s run by project managers and web monkeys

freeone3000 2y ago

So remove the consent exception against tracking? Simply make it illegal, banner or no?

aziaziazi 2y ago
It’s not a tracking banner but a cookie banner and some applications have a legitimate need for cookies. They abuse what is legitimate, but you can’t ask regulators to check every site without a national (European?) white liste firewall (shouldn’t give them ideas…). Also, most tracking used to use cookies but if that becomes illegal there’s others ways.
- idle_zealot 2y ago
  Cookies necessary to function properly don't require consent. It's only optional ones (ones that benefit the site, not the user).
  - creer 2y ago
    And these (optional ones) don't require a banner.
    - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
      How do you figure? How does the user opt in or out without an option to opt in or out?
      - creer 2y ago
        the same way that they interact with any other web page? which never need banners? You don't need a banner to opt in or out (or ignore). By this I mean the law is what it is but the implementation is deliberately hurting the visitors in the hope that they will click "yeah sure whatever" to be let through to the content. The harm does not come from the legislation but is deliberately anti-user by the web site owner. (Fine, in some cases it might be out of the box and merely lazy.)

coldpie 2y ago

You're right, but I can't fix that. What I can do is help HN readers who didn't know about that filter list. Maybe they can help the people they know.

Gud 2y ago
I’m happy! I didn’t know about it! Thx