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What about standups? Are you implying that having to be somewhere at a certain time in the morning impedes your ability to go to sleep at a reasonable time so y

What about standups? Are you implying that having to be somewhere at a certain time in the morning impedes your ability to go to sleep at a reasonable time so you can get a healthy amount of sleep?

YokoZar 2y ago
Yes. Isn't that obvious? Everyone has different natural sleep patterns, some have later cronotypes. Meetings set too early in the day for your body's preferred time to be asleep will result in having to wake up with an alarm to attend them. My team moved our daily standup later in the day to accommodate my delayed sleep phase and it's been extremely helpful to getting a full night's uninterrupted sleep.
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hinkley 2y ago
There you go moralizing about acceptable patterns of sleep. Crepuscular and nocturnal predators require tribes of humans to have some number of members who are tuned to be either awake before sunrise or awake long after sunset. Without people with genes to go bed late and wake up late we wouldn't be here having this conversation. In modern society the former are lionized and the latter are villified as making bad choices.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  I can pick when I go to sleep and wake, I've worked 3rd shift, 9 - 5 and resturant hours with no issue. Wouldn't a tribe that is able to do as I can have the greatest evolutionary advantage and thus outcompete the tribes requiring specialization like you describe?
  - YokoZar 2y ago
    Unfortunately, not everyone has quite the same natural flexibility you describe. "Shift worker syndrome" has been known for decades, though a fortunate subset of people just seem immune.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    Lucky you. Whatever I do, if I'm forced to be out of bed before 8 AM, I'm going to be completely useless for few days. Usually I wake up around 9:30 to get good sleep. And whatever I do, I'm simply unable to go sleep earlier than midnight, even if I lay down, I just can't sleep for hours. It's 0:29 where I live and I'm just turning on Netflix after a failed try at sleeping - even though I'm pretty tired as I didn't sleep enough yesterday.
    - quesera 2y ago
      > It's 0:29 where I live and I'm just turning on Netflix after a failed try at sleeping I'm sympathetic to your situation -- but with all due respect, this would seem to be a strategy with a vanishingly small likelihood of benefit.
      - lostdog 2y ago
        You would be wrong. Just trying to sleep doesn't work for me either, but putting on a distraction for 15 minutes helps a lot.
        quesera 2y ago
        I am not aware of any mode of watching Netflix that is constrained to 15 minutes. "Trying" to sleep is also doomed to failure, of course. Personally, what works best for me is modeling solutions to issues in projects (work or otherwise). I originally tried this, hoping for the benefit of "sleeping on a problem". I don't think it's been particularly successful for that (though it could be subtly so, I guess), but it has about a 90% success rate for inducing sleep within 15 minutes. :) My solution and yours might be the same thing (distraction from the goal of sleep), but I'd worry about the stimulation of video, the light from the screen, disturbing partners, etc. And also that I might get interested, and stay up for hours instead (this is my failure mode for reading before sleep).
        lostdog 2y ago
        Different things work for different people. Thinking about projects prevents me from sleeping. It's the surest way to keep me up with my mind racing for a few more hours. If it works for you, great! The "mode" for watching Netflix for 15 minutes is turn it on, watch for 15 minutes, turn it off. I won't claim it works for everyone, but it does help settle my mind at night.
  - tom_ 2y ago
    You'd think so, and yet apparently it didn't happen - or it's not heritable, in which case we're stuck with it.
Seattle3503 2y ago
I can get into my bed at a certain time, I can put my head on my pillow, but I can't force sleep.
- hinkley 2y ago
  The same traits that make me good at emergency situations and deep work make me lousy for early bedtime. I have some coping mechanisms now but there were years where I had to go to bed exhausted to get to sleep. And some days that’s 10:30, others that’s 2:30.
MortyWaves 2y ago
What a pathetic and unreasonable message.

What about standups? Are you implying that having to be somewhere at a certain time in the morning impedes your ability to go to sleep at a reasonable time so you can get a healthy amount of sleep?

YokoZar 2y ago

Yes. Isn't that obvious? Everyone has different natural sleep patterns, some have later cronotypes. Meetings set too early in the day for your body's preferred time to be asleep will result in having to wake up with an alarm to attend them. My team moved our daily standup later in the day to accommodate my delayed sleep phase and it's been extremely helpful to getting a full night's uninterrupted sleep.

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hinkley 2y ago

There you go moralizing about acceptable patterns of sleep. Crepuscular and nocturnal predators require tribes of humans to have some number of members who are tuned to be either awake before sunrise or awake long after sunset. Without people with genes to go bed late and wake up late we wouldn't be here having this conversation. In modern society the former are lionized and the latter are villified as making bad choices.

willcipriano 2y ago
I can pick when I go to sleep and wake, I've worked 3rd shift, 9 - 5 and resturant hours with no issue. Wouldn't a tribe that is able to do as I can have the greatest evolutionary advantage and thus outcompete the tribes requiring specialization like you describe?
- YokoZar 2y ago
  Unfortunately, not everyone has quite the same natural flexibility you describe. "Shift worker syndrome" has been known for decades, though a fortunate subset of people just seem immune.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  Lucky you. Whatever I do, if I'm forced to be out of bed before 8 AM, I'm going to be completely useless for few days. Usually I wake up around 9:30 to get good sleep. And whatever I do, I'm simply unable to go sleep earlier than midnight, even if I lay down, I just can't sleep for hours. It's 0:29 where I live and I'm just turning on Netflix after a failed try at sleeping - even though I'm pretty tired as I didn't sleep enough yesterday.
  - quesera 2y ago
    > It's 0:29 where I live and I'm just turning on Netflix after a failed try at sleeping I'm sympathetic to your situation -- but with all due respect, this would seem to be a strategy with a vanishingly small likelihood of benefit.
    - lostdog 2y ago
      You would be wrong. Just trying to sleep doesn't work for me either, but putting on a distraction for 15 minutes helps a lot.
      - quesera 2y ago
        I am not aware of any mode of watching Netflix that is constrained to 15 minutes. "Trying" to sleep is also doomed to failure, of course. Personally, what works best for me is modeling solutions to issues in projects (work or otherwise). I originally tried this, hoping for the benefit of "sleeping on a problem". I don't think it's been particularly successful for that (though it could be subtly so, I guess), but it has about a 90% success rate for inducing sleep within 15 minutes. :) My solution and yours might be the same thing (distraction from the goal of sleep), but I'd worry about the stimulation of video, the light from the screen, disturbing partners, etc. And also that I might get interested, and stay up for hours instead (this is my failure mode for reading before sleep).
        lostdog 2y ago
        Different things work for different people. Thinking about projects prevents me from sleeping. It's the surest way to keep me up with my mind racing for a few more hours. If it works for you, great! The "mode" for watching Netflix for 15 minutes is turn it on, watch for 15 minutes, turn it off. I won't claim it works for everyone, but it does help settle my mind at night.
- tom_ 2y ago
  You'd think so, and yet apparently it didn't happen - or it's not heritable, in which case we're stuck with it.

Seattle3503 2y ago

I can get into my bed at a certain time, I can put my head on my pillow, but I can't force sleep.

hinkley 2y ago
The same traits that make me good at emergency situations and deep work make me lousy for early bedtime. I have some coping mechanisms now but there were years where I had to go to bed exhausted to get to sleep. And some days that’s 10:30, others that’s 2:30.

MortyWaves 2y ago

What a pathetic and unreasonable message.