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Who would've thought that sleep is good for you, right? Apparently we needed several million dollars in research to find out. > The findings, published today i

by yazzku 2y ago

Who would've thought that sleep is good for you, right? Apparently we needed several million dollars in research to find out. > The findings, published today in Nature, could help to guide care for people after a heart attack, This is just hilarious. Remember to get enough sleep after a life-threatening heart attack, folks! But your comment resonates very much with me. I am tired of this capitalist culture that reduces the human essence to value output and shames people for not pretending to be working hard enough. Part of the reason I like working from home is that I can take that fucking 20-minute nap after lunch and be infinitely more productive throughout the rest of the day.

op00to 2y ago
> This is just hilarious. Remember to get enough sleep after a life-threatening heart attack, folks! Is it better to prioritize low-impact exercise or sleep after a heart attack? There's plenty of interesting angles to investigate.
- rramadass 2y ago
  Not specific to "after a heart attack" but IME while both are important Sleep is much more important than Exercise. Anecdata: I spent a decade as caregiver/caretaker for my late Mother who refused to do any exercises except the absolute necessary ones which a doctor would ask her to do for a specific cause eg. back pain, breathing exercises etc. As soon as that symptom alleviated she would abandon the exercises. So i encouraged her to take long naps whenever she felt sleepy and it helped keep her mental faculties sharp and physically feel spry (within limits of course). You Asked: Is It Better to Sleep In Or Work Out? - https://time.com/3914773/exercise-sleep-fitness/ https://time.com/3914773/exercise-sleep-fitness/ Quote: But when pressed to choose one that’s more important, Mah grudgingly decides on sleep. “Sleep is foundational,” she says.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
I do think it is sad that people are so out of touch with their bodies and the idea of self ownership that they need an authority figure to instruct such simple tasks. I think there is a huge component of trained helplessness resulting from consumerist culture and social subservience.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  So how do you know to convince a person who doesn't feel it and yet needs it, without the research? If it's a treatment plan, it needs to have clear reasons behind.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Im not sure I understand your question. Who is trying to convince who? Ultimately, individuals are responsible for managing their own health. Thinking it is the doctors job and responsibility to keep them healthy, and not their own is the root of most problems.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      How am I supposed to make informed decisions without the research? How is a doctor supposed to choose and present options without it?
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I think that 99% of the bottleneck is not research for basic health, and the value of research is vastly over stated for things like nutrition, health, and exercise. A new study isn't going to convince people people to stop being obese, exercise, and take care of themselves. A study that shows that sleeping longer or eating a Mediterranean diet has a 5% improvement in some metric has almost no specificity to you. Research is important for the 1% of the time your health is already in crisis, When you are picking between medications or interventions after. Even then, personal data on what works for you should always trump the research, because it is statistical in nature, usually with extremely high variability. If drug A works 51% of the time drug B works 49% of the time, the difference between them is almost meaningless. You want to know which drug your body responds to. In the clinical context, I think people and doctors overvalue how much time and effort to spend figuring out where to start, and undervalue how much effort to spend responding to personal data if it works or not.

by yazzku 2y ago

op00to 2y ago

> This is just hilarious. Remember to get enough sleep after a life-threatening heart attack, folks! Is it better to prioritize low-impact exercise or sleep after a heart attack? There's plenty of interesting angles to investigate.

rramadass 2y ago
Not specific to "after a heart attack" but IME while both are important Sleep is much more important than Exercise. Anecdata: I spent a decade as caregiver/caretaker for my late Mother who refused to do any exercises except the absolute necessary ones which a doctor would ask her to do for a specific cause eg. back pain, breathing exercises etc. As soon as that symptom alleviated she would abandon the exercises. So i encouraged her to take long naps whenever she felt sleepy and it helped keep her mental faculties sharp and physically feel spry (within limits of course). You Asked: Is It Better to Sleep In Or Work Out? - https://time.com/3914773/exercise-sleep-fitness/ https://time.com/3914773/exercise-sleep-fitness/ Quote: But when pressed to choose one that’s more important, Mah grudgingly decides on sleep. “Sleep is foundational,” she says.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

I do think it is sad that people are so out of touch with their bodies and the idea of self ownership that they need an authority figure to instruct such simple tasks. I think there is a huge component of trained helplessness resulting from consumerist culture and social subservience.

thrw42A8N 2y ago
So how do you know to convince a person who doesn't feel it and yet needs it, without the research? If it's a treatment plan, it needs to have clear reasons behind.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Im not sure I understand your question. Who is trying to convince who? Ultimately, individuals are responsible for managing their own health. Thinking it is the doctors job and responsibility to keep them healthy, and not their own is the root of most problems.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    How am I supposed to make informed decisions without the research? How is a doctor supposed to choose and present options without it?
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I think that 99% of the bottleneck is not research for basic health, and the value of research is vastly over stated for things like nutrition, health, and exercise. A new study isn't going to convince people people to stop being obese, exercise, and take care of themselves. A study that shows that sleeping longer or eating a Mediterranean diet has a 5% improvement in some metric has almost no specificity to you. Research is important for the 1% of the time your health is already in crisis, When you are picking between medications or interventions after. Even then, personal data on what works for you should always trump the research, because it is statistical in nature, usually with extremely high variability. If drug A works 51% of the time drug B works 49% of the time, the difference between them is almost meaningless. You want to know which drug your body responds to. In the clinical context, I think people and doctors overvalue how much time and effort to spend figuring out where to start, and undervalue how much effort to spend responding to personal data if it works or not.