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Thanks. I upvoted you because this is all great advice. I'm politely going to decline it though. Not because I don't think it's valuable but mostly because I al

Thanks. I upvoted you because this is all great advice. I'm politely going to decline it though. Not because I don't think it's valuable but mostly because I already have alternatives to achieve those results that I know work better for myself. Unfortunately right now I don't have the time to follow through with most of it. Life happens, and right now it just happens to be happening more or less all at once. Urgency trumps priority. Furthermore, I'm a night owl. I have at different times in my life tried to change it. I followed all the advice I could find (including a lot of the things you mention). Ultimately, if I have to wake up early in the morning for work, I might end up with a cycle of 8h on the first night, with some luck another 8h, then it goes down to 6-5h, 2h and in some occasions an all nighter to top if off. My current sleep deprived cycle is one of relatively regular 5-6h per night. It's not very good but mostly because of the time I have to be awake. If I could wake up at 9:30-10:00 every day, I would be able to sleep those 5-6h per night and be in top shape. I know because I've done it for a few months in the past. I was at top physical and mental shape, consistently. Waking up at 7:00-8:00, even if I could sustain 7-8h per night, I'd still be sleepy, tired and unfocused for the most part. My brain suffers and so does my body. At this point I just decided to accept light sleep deprivation vs. the worse alternatives.

rramadass 2y ago
I suggest you watch Dr. Satchin Panda's (he is the Circadian Rhythms researcher) videos (they are short TEDx ones) at the minimum. He gives a simple 6-step process which you might find very relevant.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  Thanks, I'll try to find the time.
  - hackernewds 2y ago
    You seem to have a pretty reserved attitude about this. And I hope you are doing okay.
    - lostdog 2y ago
      Advice from morning people about sleep is usually as useful as cancer advice from homeopathics. I can understand his lack of interest here.
      - cassianoleal 2y ago
        And it's not how I hadn't already said I tried many things with invariably similar results. I might watch the videos if I find the time but it's definitely not in my list of priorities as I'm really skeptical that there will be anything there that I haven't already done or is similar in nature - mainly because outside of changing the world or CRISPR I'm not sure there is a way to "fix" this.
        lostdog 2y ago
        I've now read a summary. It's just the same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism. All stuff I've tried dozens of times, which maybe moves my sleep by 15 minutes.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        Thanks for taking one for the team!
        rramadass 2y ago
        No, you are needlessly trivializing it and maybe doing a disservice to others to whom it might be of great value. I am not sure what you read, but Dr. Satchin Panda's research is not the "same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism." You can watch his(and other circadian researchers) longer videos on Youtube for more knowledge. Also two books i can recommend are a) The Circadian Code by Satchin Panda and b) When : The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Daniel Pink. Circadian research is holistic since it studies how our body clocks (there are a set of them) are synchronized with Nature and thus when is the optimum time to do something with maximal benefit. Eg. When is the best time to take medicines for maximal efficacy, When is the best time to do exercise for maximum benefit etc. In the context of this thread, he doesn't talk about morning larks/night owls but merely allowing Natural Sunlight to tune us to its rhythms. So it doesn't matter what time you do get up in the morning (5/8/10AM etc.) but if you go and stand in the sunlight immediately after (or even better take a walk) your body adjusts itself so eventually you do get sleepy with sunset and awake at sunrise (within limits and control of other factors like exposure to other light sources). Similarly Exercise is most efficacious when done after 4PM etc. Most of these practices are zero-cost and risk-free and easily adjustable to individual variations and much better than popping Melatonin pills etc.

rramadass 2y ago

I suggest you watch Dr. Satchin Panda's (he is the Circadian Rhythms researcher) videos (they are short TEDx ones) at the minimum. He gives a simple 6-step process which you might find very relevant.

cassianoleal 2y ago
Thanks, I'll try to find the time.
- hackernewds 2y ago
  You seem to have a pretty reserved attitude about this. And I hope you are doing okay.
  - lostdog 2y ago
    Advice from morning people about sleep is usually as useful as cancer advice from homeopathics. I can understand his lack of interest here.
    - cassianoleal 2y ago
      And it's not how I hadn't already said I tried many things with invariably similar results. I might watch the videos if I find the time but it's definitely not in my list of priorities as I'm really skeptical that there will be anything there that I haven't already done or is similar in nature - mainly because outside of changing the world or CRISPR I'm not sure there is a way to "fix" this.
      - lostdog 2y ago
        I've now read a summary. It's just the same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism. All stuff I've tried dozens of times, which maybe moves my sleep by 15 minutes.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        Thanks for taking one for the team!
        rramadass 2y ago
        No, you are needlessly trivializing it and maybe doing a disservice to others to whom it might be of great value. I am not sure what you read, but Dr. Satchin Panda's research is not the "same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism." You can watch his(and other circadian researchers) longer videos on Youtube for more knowledge. Also two books i can recommend are a) The Circadian Code by Satchin Panda and b) When : The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Daniel Pink. Circadian research is holistic since it studies how our body clocks (there are a set of them) are synchronized with Nature and thus when is the optimum time to do something with maximal benefit. Eg. When is the best time to take medicines for maximal efficacy, When is the best time to do exercise for maximum benefit etc. In the context of this thread, he doesn't talk about morning larks/night owls but merely allowing Natural Sunlight to tune us to its rhythms. So it doesn't matter what time you do get up in the morning (5/8/10AM etc.) but if you go and stand in the sunlight immediately after (or even better take a walk) your body adjusts itself so eventually you do get sleepy with sunset and awake at sunrise (within limits and control of other factors like exposure to other light sources). Similarly Exercise is most efficacious when done after 4PM etc. Most of these practices are zero-cost and risk-free and easily adjustable to individual variations and much better than popping Melatonin pills etc.