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This is spot on. These things are a delicate balance as well. When I sleep well, I can control my feeding patterns much better. When I eat well, I tend to sleep

This is spot on. These things are a delicate balance as well. When I sleep well, I can control my feeding patterns much better. When I eat well, I tend to sleep better. Exercise affects both of those, and is affected back. Work is constantly nudging this balance in the wrong direction, putting us into a vicious cycle of accelerated death and suffering. I may be making this sound worse than it feels though, probably because I'm writing this in between bouts of high fever. I honestly can't complain all that much from the life I lead but I do wish I could make it work much better around my physiological needs.

rramadass 2y ago
You might find some of my previous comments useful too; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40978488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40978488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41538322 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41538322 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445883
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  Thanks. I upvoted you because this is all great advice. I'm politely going to decline it though. Not because I don't think it's valuable but mostly because I already have alternatives to achieve those results that I know work better for myself. Unfortunately right now I don't have the time to follow through with most of it. Life happens, and right now it just happens to be happening more or less all at once. Urgency trumps priority. Furthermore, I'm a night owl. I have at different times in my life tried to change it. I followed all the advice I could find (including a lot of the things you mention). Ultimately, if I have to wake up early in the morning for work, I might end up with a cycle of 8h on the first night, with some luck another 8h, then it goes down to 6-5h, 2h and in some occasions an all nighter to top if off. My current sleep deprived cycle is one of relatively regular 5-6h per night. It's not very good but mostly because of the time I have to be awake. If I could wake up at 9:30-10:00 every day, I would be able to sleep those 5-6h per night and be in top shape. I know because I've done it for a few months in the past. I was at top physical and mental shape, consistently. Waking up at 7:00-8:00, even if I could sustain 7-8h per night, I'd still be sleepy, tired and unfocused for the most part. My brain suffers and so does my body. At this point I just decided to accept light sleep deprivation vs. the worse alternatives.
  - rramadass 2y ago
    I suggest you watch Dr. Satchin Panda's (he is the Circadian Rhythms researcher) videos (they are short TEDx ones) at the minimum. He gives a simple 6-step process which you might find very relevant.
    - cassianoleal 2y ago
      Thanks, I'll try to find the time.
      - hackernewds 2y ago
        You seem to have a pretty reserved attitude about this. And I hope you are doing okay.
        lostdog 2y ago
        Advice from morning people about sleep is usually as useful as cancer advice from homeopathics. I can understand his lack of interest here.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        And it's not how I hadn't already said I tried many things with invariably similar results. I might watch the videos if I find the time but it's definitely not in my list of priorities as I'm really skeptical that there will be anything there that I haven't already done or is similar in nature - mainly because outside of changing the world or CRISPR I'm not sure there is a way to "fix" this.
        lostdog 2y ago
        I've now read a summary. It's just the same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism. All stuff I've tried dozens of times, which maybe moves my sleep by 15 minutes.
agumonkey 2y ago
Saw a video few days ago from someone saying that two people with the same diet but one having a bad sleep regime would make the low sleep person gain weight and lose muscle.
- hackernewds 2y ago
  Sleep (specifically recovery) is also an important part of building muscle mass
steveoscaro 2y ago
“I can control my feeding patterns” I find this to be a disturbing way to describe eating
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  You're free to not use it, I guess.

rramadass 2y ago

You might find some of my previous comments useful too; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40978488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40978488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41538322 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41538322 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445883

cassianoleal 2y ago
Thanks. I upvoted you because this is all great advice. I'm politely going to decline it though. Not because I don't think it's valuable but mostly because I already have alternatives to achieve those results that I know work better for myself. Unfortunately right now I don't have the time to follow through with most of it. Life happens, and right now it just happens to be happening more or less all at once. Urgency trumps priority. Furthermore, I'm a night owl. I have at different times in my life tried to change it. I followed all the advice I could find (including a lot of the things you mention). Ultimately, if I have to wake up early in the morning for work, I might end up with a cycle of 8h on the first night, with some luck another 8h, then it goes down to 6-5h, 2h and in some occasions an all nighter to top if off. My current sleep deprived cycle is one of relatively regular 5-6h per night. It's not very good but mostly because of the time I have to be awake. If I could wake up at 9:30-10:00 every day, I would be able to sleep those 5-6h per night and be in top shape. I know because I've done it for a few months in the past. I was at top physical and mental shape, consistently. Waking up at 7:00-8:00, even if I could sustain 7-8h per night, I'd still be sleepy, tired and unfocused for the most part. My brain suffers and so does my body. At this point I just decided to accept light sleep deprivation vs. the worse alternatives.
- rramadass 2y ago
  I suggest you watch Dr. Satchin Panda's (he is the Circadian Rhythms researcher) videos (they are short TEDx ones) at the minimum. He gives a simple 6-step process which you might find very relevant.
  - cassianoleal 2y ago
    Thanks, I'll try to find the time.
    - hackernewds 2y ago
      You seem to have a pretty reserved attitude about this. And I hope you are doing okay.
      - lostdog 2y ago
        Advice from morning people about sleep is usually as useful as cancer advice from homeopathics. I can understand his lack of interest here.
        cassianoleal 2y ago
        And it's not how I hadn't already said I tried many things with invariably similar results. I might watch the videos if I find the time but it's definitely not in my list of priorities as I'm really skeptical that there will be anything there that I haven't already done or is similar in nature - mainly because outside of changing the world or CRISPR I'm not sure there is a way to "fix" this.
        lostdog 2y ago
        I've now read a summary. It's just the same light, eating, and exercise changes, mixed with some night-owl denialism. All stuff I've tried dozens of times, which maybe moves my sleep by 15 minutes.

agumonkey 2y ago

Saw a video few days ago from someone saying that two people with the same diet but one having a bad sleep regime would make the low sleep person gain weight and lose muscle.

hackernewds 2y ago
Sleep (specifically recovery) is also an important part of building muscle mass

steveoscaro 2y ago

“I can control my feeding patterns” I find this to be a disturbing way to describe eating

cassianoleal 2y ago
You're free to not use it, I guess.