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> I believe Info Wars etc becoming big is pretty much a symptom rather than the problem I believe the problem is how incredibly easy it is to both disseminate

> I believe Info Wars etc becoming big is pretty much a symptom rather than the problem I believe the problem is how incredibly easy it is to both disseminate and consume utter bullshit. You're no longer that weird loner in town. You go online and can find hundreds and thousands of people who agree with you. Why would you go find people that challenge your views, when you can get those dopamine highs from people who love everything you say? Get pushback from people in your life? Cut them out. They don't get you, and they're just hating. The worst part? It's self-sustaining. Humans are really bad about going against a group. So much of our social behavior is around what others do, and the more we find out about others believing XYZ, we'll start to believe it ourselves. Unless they're from a different group, in which case it is anathema. Combine those 2 things and you get these people who basically live in separate worlds. And social media/internet enables that.

larrywright 2y ago
> I believe the problem is how incredibly easy it is to both disseminate and consume utter bullshit. But more importantly, how easy it is to make a lot of money disseminating it.
rightbyte 2y ago
I think there is a three fold problem of the mental health crisis, decreased social trust (broken communities etc) and algorithmic feeds. I don't know if Alex Jones is mentally ill or pretends to be. His targeting seems suspiciously self-aware and lame compared to how it usually sounds when people wander down that path. But I guess most of his viewership is. But they existed on the internets in the beginning too. Plenty of them. Maybe the recommendation engines bring more people into the "self-sustaining" circle, than would be otherwise? I think what has changed is mainly that there are more 'leaders'. I might have had the wrong conception of what it was like earlier, but apart from Alex Jones and the lizard guy (David Ike?) it didn't seem to be that many. Something has changed. There are so many lunatic "influencers" nowadays that keep getting pushed to the top. Earlier you had to get out of your way to stumble upon them.
theshackleford 2y ago
> Why would you go find people that challenge your views Obviously in some kind of minority, but I love having my views challenged. It’s how I grow. I want people to argue with me, though ideally, respectfully.

larrywright 2y ago

> I believe the problem is how incredibly easy it is to both disseminate and consume utter bullshit. But more importantly, how easy it is to make a lot of money disseminating it.

rightbyte 2y ago

I think there is a three fold problem of the mental health crisis, decreased social trust (broken communities etc) and algorithmic feeds. I don't know if Alex Jones is mentally ill or pretends to be. His targeting seems suspiciously self-aware and lame compared to how it usually sounds when people wander down that path. But I guess most of his viewership is. But they existed on the internets in the beginning too. Plenty of them. Maybe the recommendation engines bring more people into the "self-sustaining" circle, than would be otherwise? I think what has changed is mainly that there are more 'leaders'. I might have had the wrong conception of what it was like earlier, but apart from Alex Jones and the lizard guy (David Ike?) it didn't seem to be that many. Something has changed. There are so many lunatic "influencers" nowadays that keep getting pushed to the top. Earlier you had to get out of your way to stumble upon them.

theshackleford 2y ago

> Why would you go find people that challenge your views Obviously in some kind of minority, but I love having my views challenged. It’s how I grow. I want people to argue with me, though ideally, respectfully.