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> To be fair, the parent's claim that China is "ahead" in infosec also feels like fearmongering. The one thing that's true for China is that their government ha

by tivert 2y ago

> To be fair, the parent's claim that China is "ahead" in infosec also feels like fearmongering. The one thing that's true for China is that their government has far fewer qualms about hacking Western infrastructure to get dirt on dissidents, steal IP, and so on. But that's a matter of ethics and law, not tech. I've heard China also has many more personnel working in this space.

medo-bear 2y ago
Ive also heard that China has many more people living in it than the US. Ive also heard that Chinese higher education system is state funded
- tivert 2y ago
  > Ive also heard that China has many more people living in it than the US. Ive also heard that Chinese higher education system is state funded So? It kinds sounds like you're making an excuse, but excuses don't do anything to address the capability difference caused by the larger number of personnel.
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    The US used to be by far the largest country in the developed world. It could be argued that sheer numbers allowed it to succeed and dominate throughout the previous century. Today the US is no longer the largest country in the developed world, not by a long shot
    - tivert 2y ago
      What's your point? Your comment doesn't really address anything relevant regarding the US's goals and positioning to achieve them. For instance, if the US wants to to secure its networks and be able to respond effectively to hacking threats from its geopolitical rivals, it may have to invest proportionally more of its human resources in infosec to remain competitive. I see no good reason why it can't do that. Also, noting that one reason China may be ahead in infosec is because it may have many more people working in that area was to rebut claims that "China is ahead in infosec" was "fearmongering." In short, China having a larger population may be one reason why they're ahead, but that why is not very relevant to decisions about what to do about it.
      - medo-bear 2y ago
        Im just offering you an explanation about evolution of powers in the world, and human resources is a huge factor. Already in his last mandate Trump was constantly talking about the power of US military, much like Russia does about its nukes. These sort of things are done out of weakness, not strength
        tivert 2y ago
        > Im just offering you an explanation about evolution of powers in the world, and human resources is a huge factor. Sorry, that wasn't an explanation that was needed nor asked for. And its sounds like weird sort of demographic determinism, which is kinda so oversimple to be obviously not true.
        medo-bear 2y ago
        I'm sorry I didnt realise you think Im only allowed to respond in the way you find appropriate. If you do not want to take into account China's huge and relatively well educated and quite capable working class that is your issue

by tivert 2y ago

medo-bear 2y ago

Ive also heard that China has many more people living in it than the US. Ive also heard that Chinese higher education system is state funded

tivert 2y ago
> Ive also heard that China has many more people living in it than the US. Ive also heard that Chinese higher education system is state funded So? It kinds sounds like you're making an excuse, but excuses don't do anything to address the capability difference caused by the larger number of personnel.
- medo-bear 2y ago
  The US used to be by far the largest country in the developed world. It could be argued that sheer numbers allowed it to succeed and dominate throughout the previous century. Today the US is no longer the largest country in the developed world, not by a long shot
  - tivert 2y ago
    What's your point? Your comment doesn't really address anything relevant regarding the US's goals and positioning to achieve them. For instance, if the US wants to to secure its networks and be able to respond effectively to hacking threats from its geopolitical rivals, it may have to invest proportionally more of its human resources in infosec to remain competitive. I see no good reason why it can't do that. Also, noting that one reason China may be ahead in infosec is because it may have many more people working in that area was to rebut claims that "China is ahead in infosec" was "fearmongering." In short, China having a larger population may be one reason why they're ahead, but that why is not very relevant to decisions about what to do about it.
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      Im just offering you an explanation about evolution of powers in the world, and human resources is a huge factor. Already in his last mandate Trump was constantly talking about the power of US military, much like Russia does about its nukes. These sort of things are done out of weakness, not strength
      - tivert 2y ago
        > Im just offering you an explanation about evolution of powers in the world, and human resources is a huge factor. Sorry, that wasn't an explanation that was needed nor asked for. And its sounds like weird sort of demographic determinism, which is kinda so oversimple to be obviously not true.
        medo-bear 2y ago
        I'm sorry I didnt realise you think Im only allowed to respond in the way you find appropriate. If you do not want to take into account China's huge and relatively well educated and quite capable working class that is your issue