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I feel for you but this isn’t an Apple problem You didn’t own any content to build a collection with; you held licenses. The content owners are the studios an

I feel for you but this isn’t an Apple problem You didn’t own any content to build a collection with; you held licenses. The content owners are the studios and they decide where to sell their content, in which legal jurisdictions and for how much. As a license holder you don’t have rights to the content in every jurisdiction. As much as I hate to rep with folk like the MPAA if there are different laws in different areas, they can’t have a one size fits all solution. (I sail the seven seas as my one size fits all solution because if buying isn’t owning then…)

vr46 2y ago
It very much is an Apple problem because I purchased my stuff from them and not from anyone else. The buck has to stop there. Secondly, I already bought the thing, I don’t care that the thing is no longer sold where I happen to be standing. The rights holders already got their money. If retail suddenly means that one side gets to renegotiate the deal, then yeah, I think we have a problem. Give me the money back. I’m well aware how licensing content works, I just want post-purchase shenanigans to stop. Any space on that boat?
- fn-mote 2y ago
  > [...] I just want post-purchase shenanigans to stop. I think many people here support that. It's the blaming of Apple that we are finding problematic. You know the laws and want somebody to blame. I don't like it either. I would definitely support changes. I keep my collection 90% DRM free for this reason, though. Well, I suppose my DVD's aren't DRM free, but you can't make my physical player disappear by flipping a switch in Cupertino. [Ed: Ok, I read TFA. The connection between the geo-locked apple ID's and the per-country availability & pricing isn't well explained.]
  - xg15 2y ago
    > It's the blaming of Apple that we are finding problematic. I know. As you guys do in absolutely every thread vaguely critical of Apple, without exception, no matter the topic.
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      This story could just as easily be about content licensed through Google or Microsoft, no? But Apple has the most popular streaming service outside of the EU, so Apple is the one that people talk about.
  - vr46 2y ago
    So here's the thing - the law isn't the problem - because you have no idea in advance how each individual piece of media, film, song, whatever, will be treated depending upon your own circumstances. And this actually changes from time to time. e.g. Bought all eight films in the collection of a well-known series about a wizarding school. Move country. Film number 4 vanishes into thin-air. Just gone. Have to buy film again in current country. e.g. Bought entire collection of classic British comedy about some senior governmental tomfoolery. Whole collection vanishes on move. Then about three months later reappears. Then a few weeks later disappears. Then reappears again. Then disappears. So the laws aren't causing this, but they do need to resolve this. Licensing media might be harder than the Good Friday Agreement, but I refuse to accept that it's impossible, and consumers should just suck it up. I don't have any kind of contract with anyone but Apple, so they really should take responsibility. I keep buying CDs at €1 or £1 each from the local secondhand-kaufhäuser or charity shop, and the house is littered with thousands of CDs and the only break-up clause I would worry about with regard to those is the one with my other half, not with who I bought them from.
margana 2y ago
We simply need the same that we have for music - the ability to legally purchase an offline digital copy that we can use on whatever device we want to. This is a completely solved problem. In essence, movies and TV shows aren't any different from music in that regard. The only issue is that there hasn't been enough regulatory scrutiny regarding this when it comes to videos. We need governments to step in, force the same system that we have for music also for video content, and slap anyone who violates the regulations with billions of dollars of fines.

vr46 2y ago

It very much is an Apple problem because I purchased my stuff from them and not from anyone else. The buck has to stop there. Secondly, I already bought the thing, I don’t care that the thing is no longer sold where I happen to be standing. The rights holders already got their money. If retail suddenly means that one side gets to renegotiate the deal, then yeah, I think we have a problem. Give me the money back. I’m well aware how licensing content works, I just want post-purchase shenanigans to stop. Any space on that boat?

fn-mote 2y ago
> [...] I just want post-purchase shenanigans to stop. I think many people here support that. It's the blaming of Apple that we are finding problematic. You know the laws and want somebody to blame. I don't like it either. I would definitely support changes. I keep my collection 90% DRM free for this reason, though. Well, I suppose my DVD's aren't DRM free, but you can't make my physical player disappear by flipping a switch in Cupertino. [Ed: Ok, I read TFA. The connection between the geo-locked apple ID's and the per-country availability & pricing isn't well explained.]
- xg15 2y ago
  > It's the blaming of Apple that we are finding problematic. I know. As you guys do in absolutely every thread vaguely critical of Apple, without exception, no matter the topic.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    This story could just as easily be about content licensed through Google or Microsoft, no? But Apple has the most popular streaming service outside of the EU, so Apple is the one that people talk about.
- vr46 2y ago
  So here's the thing - the law isn't the problem - because you have no idea in advance how each individual piece of media, film, song, whatever, will be treated depending upon your own circumstances. And this actually changes from time to time. e.g. Bought all eight films in the collection of a well-known series about a wizarding school. Move country. Film number 4 vanishes into thin-air. Just gone. Have to buy film again in current country. e.g. Bought entire collection of classic British comedy about some senior governmental tomfoolery. Whole collection vanishes on move. Then about three months later reappears. Then a few weeks later disappears. Then reappears again. Then disappears. So the laws aren't causing this, but they do need to resolve this. Licensing media might be harder than the Good Friday Agreement, but I refuse to accept that it's impossible, and consumers should just suck it up. I don't have any kind of contract with anyone but Apple, so they really should take responsibility. I keep buying CDs at €1 or £1 each from the local secondhand-kaufhäuser or charity shop, and the house is littered with thousands of CDs and the only break-up clause I would worry about with regard to those is the one with my other half, not with who I bought them from.

margana 2y ago

We simply need the same that we have for music - the ability to legally purchase an offline digital copy that we can use on whatever device we want to. This is a completely solved problem. In essence, movies and TV shows aren't any different from music in that regard. The only issue is that there hasn't been enough regulatory scrutiny regarding this when it comes to videos. We need governments to step in, force the same system that we have for music also for video content, and slap anyone who violates the regulations with billions of dollars of fines.