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I don't understand why CEOs and executives who lurk on here don't just come out and say what the deal is. I can only assume because that doesn't happen, they wo

by dgfitz 2y ago

I don't understand why CEOs and executives who lurk on here don't just come out and say what the deal is. I can only assume because that doesn't happen, they would rather not say, which in turn actually says volumes.

no_wizard 2y ago
Forgive for not understanding, but what do you mean by 'because it doesn't happen'? The studies don't happen or something else? It would be nice for that group to chime in and actually engage in the conversation for once.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > I don't understand why CEOs and executives who lurk on here don't just come out and say what the deal is. I can only assume because that doesn't happen... Which part of that was unclear?
  - no_wizard 2y ago
    Whats the "I can only assume because that doesn't happen..." what are you assuming doesn't happen? I think I might be overly dense, but I still don't follow.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Why don’t CEOs just come out and actually say why RTO is such a priority. I thought that was clear. I suppose it was not. Thanks for your patience. Edit: to be clear I don’t believe any of the messsging so far. “Collaboration, water-cooler talks” etc. that’s all bullshit.
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paulcole 2y ago
> I can only assume because that doesn't happen, they would rather not say, which in turn actually says volumes. If a CEO posted on here, “Here’s data that shows RTO was better for us” would that change anyone’s mind here? No, people who hate RTO would continue to hate it.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > people who hate RTO would continue to hate it It's honestly mindblowing that we're having so much difficulty parsing multiple optima. RTO works. WFH works. Hybrid works. They don't each work for everyone or every company. But these are preferences, not hard and fast rules. It's like people arguing over whether driving on the left or right side is better. It doesn't matter. As long as everyone in a system is in sync, it works.
  - paulcole 2y ago
    > It's like people arguing over whether driving on the left or right side is better. It doesn't matter. As long as everyone in a system is in sync, it works. I 100% agree with you and this is a great analogy. The biggest problem of all is that the left-lane (remote) contingent will say, “I don’t care what lane you drive in as long as I get to drive in the left lane.”
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > biggest problem of all is that the left-lane (remote) contingent will say, “I don’t care what lane you drive in as long as I get to drive in the left lane." Which obviously doesn't work. But what also doesn't work is companies pretending they're WFH or hybrid friendly when they're really not.
      - paulcole 2y ago
        No, my point was that people who like remote work like to believe that as long as they are working where they want to work (their homes) then everyone else is happy as well if they can work where they want to work. They miss the point that Person A working in an office while Person B works at home is generally not what Person A wants. Person A generally wants to work with other people in the same physical space. The pro-remote crowd does not mind upsetting others as long as they can continue to work from home.

by dgfitz 2y ago

no_wizard 2y ago

Forgive for not understanding, but what do you mean by 'because it doesn't happen'? The studies don't happen or something else? It would be nice for that group to chime in and actually engage in the conversation for once.

dgfitz 2y ago
> I don't understand why CEOs and executives who lurk on here don't just come out and say what the deal is. I can only assume because that doesn't happen... Which part of that was unclear?
- no_wizard 2y ago
  Whats the "I can only assume because that doesn't happen..." what are you assuming doesn't happen? I think I might be overly dense, but I still don't follow.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Why don’t CEOs just come out and actually say why RTO is such a priority. I thought that was clear. I suppose it was not. Thanks for your patience. Edit: to be clear I don’t believe any of the messsging so far. “Collaboration, water-cooler talks” etc. that’s all bullshit.

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paulcole 2y ago

> I can only assume because that doesn't happen, they would rather not say, which in turn actually says volumes. If a CEO posted on here, “Here’s data that shows RTO was better for us” would that change anyone’s mind here? No, people who hate RTO would continue to hate it.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> people who hate RTO would continue to hate it It's honestly mindblowing that we're having so much difficulty parsing multiple optima. RTO works. WFH works. Hybrid works. They don't each work for everyone or every company. But these are preferences, not hard and fast rules. It's like people arguing over whether driving on the left or right side is better. It doesn't matter. As long as everyone in a system is in sync, it works.
- paulcole 2y ago
  > It's like people arguing over whether driving on the left or right side is better. It doesn't matter. As long as everyone in a system is in sync, it works. I 100% agree with you and this is a great analogy. The biggest problem of all is that the left-lane (remote) contingent will say, “I don’t care what lane you drive in as long as I get to drive in the left lane.”
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > biggest problem of all is that the left-lane (remote) contingent will say, “I don’t care what lane you drive in as long as I get to drive in the left lane." Which obviously doesn't work. But what also doesn't work is companies pretending they're WFH or hybrid friendly when they're really not.
    - paulcole 2y ago
      No, my point was that people who like remote work like to believe that as long as they are working where they want to work (their homes) then everyone else is happy as well if they can work where they want to work. They miss the point that Person A working in an office while Person B works at home is generally not what Person A wants. Person A generally wants to work with other people in the same physical space. The pro-remote crowd does not mind upsetting others as long as they can continue to work from home.