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Musk claims he is trying to be an open and free speech town square. I don’t have an opinion on whether he did this or not but it is certainly the case that if h

by dools 2y ago

Musk claims he is trying to be an open and free speech town square. I don’t have an opinion on whether he did this or not but it is certainly the case that if he put his finger on the scales that goes against his claims.

briandear 2y ago
Did X suppress support of the other side? The Hunter Biden laptop story is a prime example of the difference between X and Twitter. The suppression of Covid debate is another example. On old Twitter you could call someone a Nazi and accuse them (falsely) of genocide. But if you “dead name” a celebrity, you’d get banned.
- 1986 2y ago
  Yes, a user was banned for sharing the Vance dossier https://www.fastcompany.com/91198871/why-x-suspended-journalist-ken-klippenstein-for-sharing-a-hacked-document-on-jd-vance https://www.fastcompany.com/91198871/why-x-suspended-journal...
- dools 2y ago
  I'm not sure about the veracity of your claims of bias pre-Musk (I have heard of the NY Post story issue, as far as I'm aware they suppressed it on advice from law enforcement that it was foreign propaganda, which was later withdrawn and the block removed). However in answer to this question: > Did X suppress support of the other side? If you have 2 options and you promote one artificially then that is the same as suppressing the other option, in either case you're making sure more people see one option than the other.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I mean, new!Twitter went through a phase of banning people for merely uttering the dread word 'mastodon'. They also, briefly, hilariously, memory-holed the word 'Twitter' (any occurrence of the string 'twitter' on the mobile app would be replaced with 'X', leading to a rare 2020s outbreak the Medireview Problem: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/medireview https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/medireview). And various other deranged petty nonsense.
jslaby 2y ago
I just created an account on X and the list that pops up to follow: Elon, Terrence Williams, Sebastian Gorka, Dinesh D'Souza, Rand Paul, Dan Bongino, Leo Terrell, Tom Fitton, Mark Levin, Tiffany Smiley, Breitbart News, Matt Gaetz... not a single "left leaning" account other than Joe Biden and maybe Neil Degrasse Tyson, but I chose sports and science as my interests. Open and free speech, right..
- valval 2y ago
  Since it’s the platform that takes freedom of speech the most seriously, it caters to people who are for freedom of speech.
  - defrost 2y ago
    /s
  - grahamj 2y ago
    Hey remember this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662702 Fun times
    - dools 2y ago
      I don't even know why they bother with that kind of research. It's obvious that Trump can just lie and all his supporters believe it because they have a propaganda arm that's perceived as "news". The Trump believers all think that "MSM" is lying to them but for some reason they think that Fox and NewsMax and Alex Jones aren't (when the exact opposite is true). It's like the whole hush money thing. Turns out it just doesn't matter, they should have let Stormy Daniels say whatever she wants because Trump just has to go on stage and make stuff up and then Hannity will repeat it and it becomes right-wing canon.
      - tim333 2y ago
        The Michael Moore Human Molotov Cocktail speech explains a lot https://youtu.be/TEHekdQSiXg https://youtu.be/TEHekdQSiXg

by dools 2y ago

briandear 2y ago

Did X suppress support of the other side? The Hunter Biden laptop story is a prime example of the difference between X and Twitter. The suppression of Covid debate is another example. On old Twitter you could call someone a Nazi and accuse them (falsely) of genocide. But if you “dead name” a celebrity, you’d get banned.

1986 2y ago
Yes, a user was banned for sharing the Vance dossier https://www.fastcompany.com/91198871/why-x-suspended-journalist-ken-klippenstein-for-sharing-a-hacked-document-on-jd-vance https://www.fastcompany.com/91198871/why-x-suspended-journal...
dools 2y ago
I'm not sure about the veracity of your claims of bias pre-Musk (I have heard of the NY Post story issue, as far as I'm aware they suppressed it on advice from law enforcement that it was foreign propaganda, which was later withdrawn and the block removed). However in answer to this question: > Did X suppress support of the other side? If you have 2 options and you promote one artificially then that is the same as suppressing the other option, in either case you're making sure more people see one option than the other.
rsynnott 2y ago
I mean, new!Twitter went through a phase of banning people for merely uttering the dread word 'mastodon'. They also, briefly, hilariously, memory-holed the word 'Twitter' (any occurrence of the string 'twitter' on the mobile app would be replaced with 'X', leading to a rare 2020s outbreak the Medireview Problem: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/medireview https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/medireview). And various other deranged petty nonsense.

jslaby 2y ago

I just created an account on X and the list that pops up to follow: Elon, Terrence Williams, Sebastian Gorka, Dinesh D'Souza, Rand Paul, Dan Bongino, Leo Terrell, Tom Fitton, Mark Levin, Tiffany Smiley, Breitbart News, Matt Gaetz... not a single "left leaning" account other than Joe Biden and maybe Neil Degrasse Tyson, but I chose sports and science as my interests. Open and free speech, right..

valval 2y ago
Since it’s the platform that takes freedom of speech the most seriously, it caters to people who are for freedom of speech.
- defrost 2y ago
  /s
- grahamj 2y ago
  Hey remember this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41662702 Fun times
  - dools 2y ago
    I don't even know why they bother with that kind of research. It's obvious that Trump can just lie and all his supporters believe it because they have a propaganda arm that's perceived as "news". The Trump believers all think that "MSM" is lying to them but for some reason they think that Fox and NewsMax and Alex Jones aren't (when the exact opposite is true). It's like the whole hush money thing. Turns out it just doesn't matter, they should have let Stormy Daniels say whatever she wants because Trump just has to go on stage and make stuff up and then Hannity will repeat it and it becomes right-wing canon.
    - tim333 2y ago
      The Michael Moore Human Molotov Cocktail speech explains a lot https://youtu.be/TEHekdQSiXg https://youtu.be/TEHekdQSiXg