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It's difficult to tell because the tweet doesn't link to the original, screenshotting it instead. But the explanation is probably that these are two different m

It's difficult to tell because the tweet doesn't link to the original, screenshotting it instead. But the explanation is probably that these are two different meanings of the term "two-tier policing".

llm_trw 2y ago
It's exactly the same meaning but with the sign reversed. Turns out identity politics is a terrible idea. Now the Guardian et al are finding out exactly why when the people they disagree with are doing it too.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  But uh... isn't it possible that one exists and the other does not?
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    > But uh... isn't it possible that one exists and the other does not? Going through the airport between 2001 and 2021 showed that having a Muslim sounding name was going to be a trigger for a random inspection. The Rotherham child rape gangs investigation into the police clearly showed that complaints against South Asians by Whites were ignored for decades to avoid accusations of racism. The average Guardian reader was only going to be exposed to the first and not the second. So the Guardian went full bore with the basest form of tribalism to explain the things its readers saw. Now the same people who were gleefully destroying the social fabric in the name of progress are acting shocked at what happens when it unravels completely. I have the worlds smallest violin for them.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - tim333 2y ago
      >The average Guardian reader was only going to be exposed to the first and not the second Brief googling showed >30 articles in the Guardian on the second.
  - prvc 2y ago
    Is it possible that "two-tier policing" exists, while "two-tier policing" does not? In a word, no. I know this a priori.
    - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
      Come on, it's clear they were referring to either my reference to "two different meanings of the term" or the reply's reference to "the same meaning but with the sign reversed"—those are two different meanings.
      - ywvcbk 2y ago
        Were they? They [Guardian] are now claiming that both groups are being treated the same when they were clearly claiming that that wasn’t the case earlier? Which exact groups they are talking about doesn’t really matter for this specific argument.
        tim333 2y ago
        I don't think the Guardian article does claim that if you read it.
        aeternum 2y ago
        The headline claims it, isn't that more important than the article claiming it?
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        The headline is being construed to claim what it does not.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  Exactly: two completely opposing points! I agree that identity politics is a terrible idea.
Vuska 2y ago
I was curious about this. This appears to be the original tweet, but I do not see any notes on it when I view it: https://x.com/guardian/status/1820788959095529653 https://x.com/guardian/status/1820788959095529653 There are more screenshots of the note in the replies, but none with the complete links to the articles.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  Thanks. I think you actually need to be a Community Notes 'moderator' to view them until they're approved—I see them as "proposed Community Notes".
  - tim333 2y ago
    Yeah that confused me. I'm a 'moderator' (community note contributor in X lingo) and can see the proposed ones. Top 3: >The Guardian have reported on two-tier policing, specifically about on race and sexuality, for decades https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan-police-institutionally-racist-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan... There has been widespread use of force by the police against working class (white) protestors. Including random unprovoked attacks on women and the elderly: https://x.com/ashleasimonbf/status/1820088461182812308 https://x.com/ashleasimonbf/status/1820088461182812308 >The concept of 'two-tier' policing is contested, it is neither proven nor disproven, therefore it is equally as inaccurate to call it a myth as it would be to say it is fact. The Guardian view is not accepted by all media commentators as fact: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/met-chief-grabs-journalists-mic-two-tier-policy-question/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/met-chief-grabs-... https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-policing/ https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-policing/ They all say: Needs more ratings, Not shown on X I didn't feel inclined to upvote any. The system is there to point out factual errors. Differences of opinion can be posted in the comments (Xed?) as usual. "Two tier myth" seems to be opinion to me. There may have been a public note which disappeared - it's an upvote/downvote type system.

llm_trw 2y ago

It's exactly the same meaning but with the sign reversed. Turns out identity politics is a terrible idea. Now the Guardian et al are finding out exactly why when the people they disagree with are doing it too.

llamaimperative 2y ago
But uh... isn't it possible that one exists and the other does not?
- llm_trw 2y ago
  > But uh... isn't it possible that one exists and the other does not? Going through the airport between 2001 and 2021 showed that having a Muslim sounding name was going to be a trigger for a random inspection. The Rotherham child rape gangs investigation into the police clearly showed that complaints against South Asians by Whites were ignored for decades to avoid accusations of racism. The average Guardian reader was only going to be exposed to the first and not the second. So the Guardian went full bore with the basest form of tribalism to explain the things its readers saw. Now the same people who were gleefully destroying the social fabric in the name of progress are acting shocked at what happens when it unravels completely. I have the worlds smallest violin for them.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - tim333 2y ago
    >The average Guardian reader was only going to be exposed to the first and not the second Brief googling showed >30 articles in the Guardian on the second.
- prvc 2y ago
  Is it possible that "two-tier policing" exists, while "two-tier policing" does not? In a word, no. I know this a priori.
  - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
    Come on, it's clear they were referring to either my reference to "two different meanings of the term" or the reply's reference to "the same meaning but with the sign reversed"—those are two different meanings.
    - ywvcbk 2y ago
      Were they? They [Guardian] are now claiming that both groups are being treated the same when they were clearly claiming that that wasn’t the case earlier? Which exact groups they are talking about doesn’t really matter for this specific argument.
      - tim333 2y ago
        I don't think the Guardian article does claim that if you read it.
        aeternum 2y ago
        The headline claims it, isn't that more important than the article claiming it?
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        The headline is being construed to claim what it does not.
oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
Exactly: two completely opposing points! I agree that identity politics is a terrible idea.

Vuska 2y ago

I was curious about this. This appears to be the original tweet, but I do not see any notes on it when I view it: https://x.com/guardian/status/1820788959095529653 https://x.com/guardian/status/1820788959095529653 There are more screenshots of the note in the replies, but none with the complete links to the articles.

oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
Thanks. I think you actually need to be a Community Notes 'moderator' to view them until they're approved—I see them as "proposed Community Notes".
- tim333 2y ago
  Yeah that confused me. I'm a 'moderator' (community note contributor in X lingo) and can see the proposed ones. Top 3: >The Guardian have reported on two-tier policing, specifically about on race and sexuality, for decades https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan-police-institutionally-racist-misogynistic-homophobic-louise-casey-report https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/21/metropolitan... There has been widespread use of force by the police against working class (white) protestors. Including random unprovoked attacks on women and the elderly: https://x.com/ashleasimonbf/status/1820088461182812308 https://x.com/ashleasimonbf/status/1820088461182812308 >The concept of 'two-tier' policing is contested, it is neither proven nor disproven, therefore it is equally as inaccurate to call it a myth as it would be to say it is fact. The Guardian view is not accepted by all media commentators as fact: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/met-chief-grabs-journalists-mic-two-tier-policy-question/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/05/met-chief-grabs-... https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-policing/ https://thecritic.co.uk/two-tier-policing/ They all say: Needs more ratings, Not shown on X I didn't feel inclined to upvote any. The system is there to point out factual errors. Differences of opinion can be posted in the comments (Xed?) as usual. "Two tier myth" seems to be opinion to me. There may have been a public note which disappeared - it's an upvote/downvote type system.