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Is it "childish antics" for the Guardian to have their own political viewpoint? Musk can have a preferred candidate and political stance. And he can run Twitte
by jmull 2y ago
Is it "childish antics" for the Guardian to have their own political viewpoint?
Musk can have a preferred candidate and political stance. And he can run Twitter accordingly.
The Guardian can have a preferred candidate and political stance. And they can choose the platforms they use accordingly.
It all seems perfectly reasonable to me.
- hulitu 2y ago> Is it "childish antics" for the Guardian to have their own political viewpoint? When a journal is biased... it is biased. Objectivism is one thing. Bias is another. Bias at the US elections shit is just another level.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago> When a journal is biased... it is biased. I would like to know which newspaper or journal is not biased.
- secstate 2y agoThis. Goddamn am I sick of people claiming bias on a news organization with tacit expectation that somewhere the platonic form of news information exists which is objectively true and unbiased. It does not exist, it never will exist, and if Serenity has taught us anything, it's that you can't stop the signal, Mal.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoI remembering learning at school, at about the age of 12, that all sources are biased.
- jay_kyburz 2y agoYes but, a new organization should at least _strive_ to be objective, even if the journalists have subconscious bias. If you lean in to your biases you stop being news and start being entertainment.
- cguess 2y ago"Reality has a well-known liberal bias" There's a difference between being objective and being unbiased.
- jay_kyburz 2y agowtf. Dictionary.com says "Objective most commonly means not influenced by an individual’s personal viewpoint—unbiased (or at least attempting to be unbiased). It’s often used to describe things like observations, decisions, or reports that are based on an unbiased analysis." https://www.dictionary.com/e/subjective-vs-objective/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/subjective-vs-objective/ I'm not sure why you quoted it, but "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" is a joke you make at the expense of right wing people for not believing in reality.
- tim333 2y agoBy the way, not knowing the history of the reality thing I looked it up - it came from a Colbert joke about W Bush's popularity https://youtu.be/UwLjK9LFpeo https://youtu.be/UwLjK9LFpeo
- consteval 2y agoWhat they mean is that if you approach some issues with "[no influence] by [your] individual personal viewpoint" you end up running into a leftist or slightly moderate viewpoint. For example, take climate change. If you come at it looking only at the facts, you'll recognize we need more renewable energy and climate change poses a threat. Donald Trump, to contrast, in intending to put more money on oil and gas and remove subsidies for renewable energy. Or, if you prefer, the economy. It's more or less undisputed that tariffs will hurt the GDP and overall economy of the US. However, Donald Trump claims tariffs will help the US economy. Or, perhaps what the GOP has treasured most of all these past few years, the culture war. For example, gender-neutral bathrooms. From a neutral perspective, forcing trans people to use the bathroom of their assigned gender at birth will backfire tremendously. Instead of having trans women in women's restrooms, now you will have big burly and hairy trans men. Or look at gender affirming care, we have statistics about gender affirming care lowering the risk of suicide. But the right claims gender affirming care causes suicide and has a high regret rate. Those are just a few examples, but if you look at popular conservative policies and then try to reason about them you kind of hit a wall.
- WalterBright 2y agoThey all are. But they can do something like Firing Line, where people of opposing viewpoints are invited to debate. The editorial board can also hire a cross section of political views.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y agoWhile possible it does not absolve the reader of ensuring that they are consuming information from a range of sources.
- amrocha 2y agoJournalism’s responsibility is to the truth, not to some perceived notion of fairness. The right in the US has been living in their own reality for a while now. Media does not owe liars any time of day. Don’t take this to mean the democrats are the left and aren’t guilty of the same thing. They’re also right wing, and they lie, but to a lesser extent.
- seneca 2y agoThis lazy "everyone is bias, therefore bias doesn't exist" argument is nonsense, and is just FUD thrown about to cover for extremists when people point out their extremism. Many news organizations pursue as unbiased a voice as they can. The Guardian is not one of them. Here's an organization attempting an objective rating of media bias, if you're actually interested in the topic: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoThat chart doesn't show any one organisation being 'less biased' than any other. It shows every organisation being biased in a different direction. Centrism is no 'less biased' than the far left or the far right.
- pharrington 2y agoThe poster never implied that bias's ubiquity means bias doesn't exist.
- DrBazza 2y agoThis may help https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/
- wtcactus 2y agoIt’s childish antics to attack a media platform for taking a political position, when they also openly and covertly took a political position. It just happened to be the opposite political position.
- seydor 2y agoAntics refers to the passiveaggressiveness. It remains to be seen what will happen if Trump goes back to posting on twitter
- davorak 2y agoNormally when I think of passive aggressiveness I think of a contradiction in between what someone says and what they mean or only communicating something negative indirectly rather than directly. The Guardian is being direct as far as I can tell about what they do not like and why they are leaving.
- UncleOxidant 2y ago> It remains to be seen what will happen if Trump goes back to posting on twitter I have a strong suspicion that he will, but it'll be because "Truth" Social and Xitter have merged. They're pretty much both the same thing now so why not merge? It would also be a way for Musk to pass a lot of $$$ to Trump.
- dustedcodes 2y agoIt only seems reasonable until this thinking eventually gets you to the point where the next platform you choose to leave is called Earth. It's pretty dumb because there is nothing like X at the moment. Just for context, the Guardian had almost 11 million followers on X and Bluesky has only just crossed 15 million total users, of which many signed up months ago when it was opened to the public and never logged back in since again.
- margalabargala 2y ago> eventually gets you to the point where the next platform you choose to leave is called Earth On the other hand, that's the express goal of the owner of X.
- stonogo 2y agoAnd who exactly controls the Earth, such that I would want to leave the platform due to mismanagement? Also, the "nothing else is like twitter" argument is both wrong (lots of social media platforms are bigger) and irrelevant (it assumes that having something like twitter is a net positive -- the validity of which assumption I am not convinced).
- n0id34 2y agoIt's ridiculous for any media to have a political bias, defeats the entire purpose of the media if it's already skewed when it's consumed.
- SauciestGNU 2y agoJournalism should have a bias for the truth. But one political camp has spent decades working the refs, calling truth-telling "bias", and even building parallel media ecosystems that project a message completely detached from factual reality. I don't know how we come back from this.
- booleandilemma 2y agoYour comment is so vague I can't tell which political camp you're talking about. I suspect you'll get upvotes from all sides :)
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoIt will never not be wild to me that vast swathes of the American public consume Fox News as news when Fox itself asserted it was merely "entertainment" in court documents/arguments and all but called their own audience idiots for believing what they say, and they somehow are still operating. That is commitment to maintaining your echo chamber.
- threatofrain 2y agoWhat if I specifically want to consume media that is biased towards technological exploration and advancement?
- ebcode 2y agothen you're on the right website! ...though maybe not in the right thread...
- pharrington 2y agoThere's no such thing as unbiased media. The inescapabilty of bias isn't a problem - the problems are undue bias, lying about one's bias, and letting your bias erode journalistic integrity. (edited to add last part about journalistic integrity)
- booleandilemma 2y agoI think the parent is saying that the guardian is being hypocritical.
- tim333 2y ago>Musk can have a preferred candidate and political stance. And he can run Twitter accordingly Except he'll be going up against Musk 2022 and his tweet below: >For Twitter to deserve public trust, it must be politically neutral, which effectively means upsetting the far right and the far left equally