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He’ll get pardoned. It’s a Thiel company.
by kwisatzh 2y ago
He’ll get pardoned. It’s a Thiel company.
- galleywest200 2y agoAccepting a presidential pardon requires an admission of guilt. Would being a confirmed criminal aide them in business in any way?
- stickfigure 2y agoIncorrect. A pardon does require a conviction, however. And it will probably never get that far.
- CodeWriter23 2y agoIncorrect. There is no requirement that even an indictment has occurred in the past.
- dgfitz 2y ago"I hereby pardon you for murder. Nope, you didn't murder anyone, and you haven't been indited on murder charges!" Technically sure, you're correct. The worst kind of correct.
- lesuorac 2y agoIt can backfire though, you no longer have 5th amendment privileges because you can't say anything incriminating (you're pardon'd from the crime). So you have the take the stand and testify.
- dgfitz 2y agoTestify to what?
- lesuorac 2y agoPretty much whatever you got pardon'd for. > [1] The pardon would have put Nixon in a difficult position on the witness stand since he would not have been able to assert any Fifth Amendment privilege when questioned about his actions as president. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon#Afterm...
- dgfitz 2y ago> Incorrect. There is no requirement that even an indictment has occurred in the past. This thread started with that statement, which is what I based my comments on. To take the piss on it, only a fool would pardon someone for a crime of which they are not accused. Are you implying that point?
- lesuorac 2y agoNixon is the typical example of somebody pardon'd without an indictment. Like it would be wise to imply it could happen because it has! There are a other trivial examples. Confederate solders weren't indicted [1]. The Vietnam draft dodging pardons didn't even name people [2] [3]. Why they would do it? I mean to nullify the 5th amendment right. Maybe you want to prosecute a crime boss so you give somebody a pardon (or immunity) so they can't/don't plead the 5th and have to testify against them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons_for_ex-Confederates#Andrew_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons_for_ex-Confederates#An... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_evasion#Pardons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_evasion#Pardons [3]: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/01/22/archives/texts-of-documents-on-the-pardon.html https://www.nytimes.com/1977/01/22/archives/texts-of-documen...
- dgfitz 2y agoSorry, those are your examples? Besides the Nixon disaster (stop hiding behind that) and confederate soldiers, any other examples?
- CodeWriter23 2y ago>"I hereby pardon you for murder. Nope, you didn't murder anyone, and you haven't been indited on murder charges!" You have a reading challenge. GP said conviction required, which is not true. You can be pardoned for something you did but nobody knows you did it.
- mikeyouse 2y agoHence how all the draft dodgers were pardoned after Vietnam.
- ARandomerDude 2y agoHow then did Ford pardon Nixon?
- ghjnut 2y ago[flagged]
- kragen 2y agoPlease don't post LLM output as comments here.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> A pardon does require a conviction, however No. "The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment" [1]. Everything after that is, at best, case law. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States#cite_note-13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_...
- Invictus0 2y agoCan't stand these sort of arrogantly wrong comments. If you're going to be snarky about it at least be right.
- janalsncm 2y agoIf the alternative is prison, yes.
- kwisatzh 2y agoPublic perception of what it means to be convicted has shifted with this election. Thiel of all people wouldn’t care if he is doing business with someone who is convicted, as long as they continue to make him money and push whatever agenda Thiel has.
- allie1 2y agoFor a crypto based business for something that crypto enthusiasts wouldn't consider a crime, probably would help.
- bequanna 2y agoMaybe he shouldn’t have been arrested in the first place?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> he shouldn’t have been arrested in the first place? Was he arrested? The article only mentions a search.
- edm0nd 2y ago[flagged]
- encoderer 2y agoI’m willing to let the government make their case, but let’s not pretend that a 6am raid from the feds is better than getting arrested.
- nshkrdotcom 2y agoA 6am raid from the feds is better than getting arrested. It is.
- edm0nd 2y agoActually, it's not. As someone who has been both raided by the feds and been arrested. Being raided is way more traumatic and gave me PTSD. Being arrested is easy as fuck. Being raided involves fully armed people busting into your home and tearing it apart and seizing all of your electronics.
- nshkrdotcom 2y agoMakes sense. Would you be willing to share more about any of those situations?
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- hnburnsy 2y agoCounter point, Mark Cuban is an investor.