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> This amounts to total emissions in the order of 20 tons of CO2eq. That's about 33 economy class roundtrip flights from LAX to JFK. https://www.icao.int/envi

> This amounts to total emissions in the order of 20 tons of CO2eq. That's about 33 economy class roundtrip flights from LAX to JFK. https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Carbonoffset/Pages/default.aspx https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Carbonoffset/P...

kube-system 2y ago
33 seats on a flight maybe. It's about one passenger aircraft flight, one way.
- echelon 2y ago
  And it has produced a system superior to several engineers working full time for several years. Seems like a fair carbon trade.
  - somishere 2y ago
    But is it a trade? Feels additive. Assuming same engineers will continue spending their carbon budget elsewhere ...
  - samplatt 2y ago
    Assuming you're purchasing from someone with infinite carbon credits and you're spending it in an environment with infinite ability to re-sink the carbon. Sure.
    - Tostino 2y ago
      Are you applying that same rigor to every action people undertake daily?
      - samplatt 2y ago
        To a more and lesser degree depending on the action, I try to apply "that rigor" to myself, at least? And yes, I think the world would be better off if more people considered how their decisions impact others, if that's what you're getting at, but it's unrealistic to expect everyone to care about other people - and of course entirely impossible to account for ALL variables.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    > Seems like a fair carbon trade. How do you come up with a ratio that you consider a fair trade? I'm really not sure how I'd personally set a metric to decide it. I could go with the stat that one barrel of oil is equivalent to 25,000 hours of human labor. That means each barrel is worth 12.5 years of labor at 40 hours per week. That seems outrageous though - off hand I don't know how many barrels would be used during the flight but it would have to be replacing way more than several engineers working for several years.
    - danielheath 2y ago
      > That seems outrageous though There's a good reason oil is so hard to give up. [6.1 GJ worth of crude oil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_oil_equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_oil_equivalent) costs about $70 USD.
    - ianburrell 2y ago
      Barrel of oil is currently $70 which is 10 person-hours at minimum wage. I guess you could get number like that if you are comparing the energy output. But that is a weird way to do it since we don't use people for energy.
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    Only if it's actually used.... hard to imagine this has much use to begin with

kube-system 2y ago

33 seats on a flight maybe. It's about one passenger aircraft flight, one way.

echelon 2y ago
And it has produced a system superior to several engineers working full time for several years. Seems like a fair carbon trade.
- somishere 2y ago
  But is it a trade? Feels additive. Assuming same engineers will continue spending their carbon budget elsewhere ...
- samplatt 2y ago
  Assuming you're purchasing from someone with infinite carbon credits and you're spending it in an environment with infinite ability to re-sink the carbon. Sure.
  - Tostino 2y ago
    Are you applying that same rigor to every action people undertake daily?
    - samplatt 2y ago
      To a more and lesser degree depending on the action, I try to apply "that rigor" to myself, at least? And yes, I think the world would be better off if more people considered how their decisions impact others, if that's what you're getting at, but it's unrealistic to expect everyone to care about other people - and of course entirely impossible to account for ALL variables.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > Seems like a fair carbon trade. How do you come up with a ratio that you consider a fair trade? I'm really not sure how I'd personally set a metric to decide it. I could go with the stat that one barrel of oil is equivalent to 25,000 hours of human labor. That means each barrel is worth 12.5 years of labor at 40 hours per week. That seems outrageous though - off hand I don't know how many barrels would be used during the flight but it would have to be replacing way more than several engineers working for several years.
  - danielheath 2y ago
    > That seems outrageous though There's a good reason oil is so hard to give up. [6.1 GJ worth of crude oil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_oil_equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_oil_equivalent) costs about $70 USD.
  - ianburrell 2y ago
    Barrel of oil is currently $70 which is 10 person-hours at minimum wage. I guess you could get number like that if you are comparing the energy output. But that is a weird way to do it since we don't use people for energy.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  Only if it's actually used.... hard to imagine this has much use to begin with