4 ms·

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losin

IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin. Then they "migrated" away from russia (jetbrains users are 90% westerners) to avoid losing their users, and even made some blog post about it, but from what i have heard the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.

Freak_NL 2y ago
Where have you heard about these people whose names are in no legal papers? Is the source credible? Is there any proof?
stackedinserter 2y ago
> IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin Who are these people?
felixgallo 2y ago
'from what I have heard'? From where?
- tartoran 2y ago
  It's in the original post: >The official reason given was that Jetbrains has Russian ties. No amount of arguing could get leadership to reverse the decision.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    The original post says nothing about "the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.", which is the sentence that comes directly after phplovesong says "from what I've heard"
    - kgeist 2y ago
      All 135 mln ethnic Russians seem to have close ties to Putin, from what I understand reading Western media.
xtracto 2y ago
And IIRC they just had some controversy of having a "default enabled" LLM harvesting or something like that no?
curiousgal 2y ago
Let's suppose that's true, so what? Is Putin Satan now? I don't see anyone rushing to boycott US companies over its state policy... Intellij is a great product, I would still use it even if it were Israeli.
- gorbachev 2y ago
  "Is Putin Satan now?" Yes.
  - cocodill 2y ago
    This is especially funny to read from someone who calls himself gorbachev here.
    - qaq 2y ago
      Well by USSR standards Gorbachev was a softy
- Myrmornis 2y ago
  Exactly. The context here requires us to remember that US, and UK, etc governments are funding and providing weapons to a genocide being carried out by Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- qaq 2y ago
  It's a valid position to have. Same way as our customers are important targets for Russian state intel. actors so to minimize risk we will not be using product X is also perfectly valid position to have.
- 2y ago
selivanovp 2y ago
Putin has nothing to do with it, pretty sure he doesn’t even know who they are. JetBrains founders are Russians, but they registered the company in Prague as their goal was foreign markets from the beginning and it was much safer to do business there than in 90’s Russia. Most of their programmers and RnD were Russians, they had close ties with several top Russian Universities to hire students from there. But yes, in 2022 they were told by their Western customers that they have to leave if they want their products to be bought, and JB evacuated from Russia, relocated people and fired those, who refused to leave, blocked Russian customers and in some cases terminated their ongoing licenses, forced their employees to cut any cooperation with Russia (their head of Kotlin decided to quit the company due to this policy and returned to Russia). And since then the quality of JB products has dropped noticeably, they had to cancel some of their products, looks like they still struggle to replace those people they’ve lost and Western companies still refusing to work with them due to a mass amount of ethnic Russians still in place.
- reisse 2y ago
  > But yes, in 2022 they were told by their Western customers that they have to leave if they want their products to be bought, and JB evacuated from Russia, relocated people and fired those, who refused to leave, blocked Russian customers and in some cases terminated their ongoing licenses, forced their employees to cut any cooperation with Russia (their head of Kotlin decided to quit the company due to this policy and returned to Russia). And they're still considered Russian company, how hilarious. They were choosing between being humiliated and losing customers, now they're both humiliated and losing customers.
  - selivanovp 2y ago
    Nobody likes traitors. My guess is that in a couple of years JetBrains gonna be bought by one of the USA corps, most probably Google.
    - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
      Why traitors? That's a very harsh word.
kgeist 2y ago
As far as I remember, JetBrains was founded in 2000 by a couple of Russian immigrants in Prague back when no one knew who Putin was. They had an office in St.Petersburg which was closed in 2022, they don't sell in Russia anymore, and ban all Russian users. What's the evidence of them having ties to Putin?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

Freak_NL 2y ago

Where have you heard about these people whose names are in no legal papers? Is the source credible? Is there any proof?

stackedinserter 2y ago

> IIRC jetbrains was a russian company, backed by people close to putin Who are these people?

felixgallo 2y ago

'from what I have heard'? From where?

tartoran 2y ago
It's in the original post: >The official reason given was that Jetbrains has Russian ties. No amount of arguing could get leadership to reverse the decision.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  The original post says nothing about "the people behind the curtains whose names are in no legal papers are in fact still the same people with close ties to putin and his inner circle.", which is the sentence that comes directly after phplovesong says "from what I've heard"
  - kgeist 2y ago
    All 135 mln ethnic Russians seem to have close ties to Putin, from what I understand reading Western media.

xtracto 2y ago

And IIRC they just had some controversy of having a "default enabled" LLM harvesting or something like that no?

curiousgal 2y ago

Let's suppose that's true, so what? Is Putin Satan now? I don't see anyone rushing to boycott US companies over its state policy... Intellij is a great product, I would still use it even if it were Israeli.

gorbachev 2y ago
"Is Putin Satan now?" Yes.
- cocodill 2y ago
  This is especially funny to read from someone who calls himself gorbachev here.
  - qaq 2y ago
    Well by USSR standards Gorbachev was a softy
Myrmornis 2y ago
Exactly. The context here requires us to remember that US, and UK, etc governments are funding and providing weapons to a genocide being carried out by Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
qaq 2y ago
It's a valid position to have. Same way as our customers are important targets for Russian state intel. actors so to minimize risk we will not be using product X is also perfectly valid position to have.
2y ago

selivanovp 2y ago

Putin has nothing to do with it, pretty sure he doesn’t even know who they are. JetBrains founders are Russians, but they registered the company in Prague as their goal was foreign markets from the beginning and it was much safer to do business there than in 90’s Russia. Most of their programmers and RnD were Russians, they had close ties with several top Russian Universities to hire students from there. But yes, in 2022 they were told by their Western customers that they have to leave if they want their products to be bought, and JB evacuated from Russia, relocated people and fired those, who refused to leave, blocked Russian customers and in some cases terminated their ongoing licenses, forced their employees to cut any cooperation with Russia (their head of Kotlin decided to quit the company due to this policy and returned to Russia). And since then the quality of JB products has dropped noticeably, they had to cancel some of their products, looks like they still struggle to replace those people they’ve lost and Western companies still refusing to work with them due to a mass amount of ethnic Russians still in place.

reisse 2y ago
> But yes, in 2022 they were told by their Western customers that they have to leave if they want their products to be bought, and JB evacuated from Russia, relocated people and fired those, who refused to leave, blocked Russian customers and in some cases terminated their ongoing licenses, forced their employees to cut any cooperation with Russia (their head of Kotlin decided to quit the company due to this policy and returned to Russia). And they're still considered Russian company, how hilarious. They were choosing between being humiliated and losing customers, now they're both humiliated and losing customers.
- selivanovp 2y ago
  Nobody likes traitors. My guess is that in a couple of years JetBrains gonna be bought by one of the USA corps, most probably Google.
  - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
    Why traitors? That's a very harsh word.

kgeist 2y ago

As far as I remember, JetBrains was founded in 2000 by a couple of Russian immigrants in Prague back when no one knew who Putin was. They had an office in St.Petersburg which was closed in 2022, they don't sell in Russia anymore, and ban all Russian users. What's the evidence of them having ties to Putin?

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]