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The software in my Skoda Scala and my Vauxhall/Opel Corsa is terrible as well, but like most new-ish Toyota's, all of them support Apple Play so it doesn't matt

The software in my Skoda Scala and my Vauxhall/Opel Corsa is terrible as well, but like most new-ish Toyota's, all of them support Apple Play so it doesn't matter.

ghaff 2y ago
The Honda software is mediocre as well but I suspect any sensible automaker realizes that most consumers are using Car Play or Google Play so they put some junior engineers on a checklist item and call it a day.
- generic92034 2y ago
  I wonder when cars become inoperable without using a smartphone.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    People had paper maps and often precise directions that they had on their laps or a human navigator using those maps or directions. They stopped at gas stations to ask for directions (or didn't--guys refusing to stop to ask for directions was something of a trope). So obviously they managed but probably in ways a lot of people today wouldn't find satisfactory. How did you manage before smartphones and even email/text for meeting people and generally coordinating activities generally? People managed.
    - bluGill 2y ago
      That is a different question. I can use my car without a smartphone. However if I buy a new car will I be able to use it if I break my smartphone?
      - ghaff 2y ago
        Sure. You may just not have a navigation system or be able to park in some places. I don't need a smartphone to drive in general and don't always plug it in locally. (I may more or less need a transponder on some roads or have a bit of hassle.) I guess that could change at some point but would guess that there would be a lot of pushback to Operating this vehicle requires a working smartphone especially given there's no cellular access in a lot of places.
        bluGill 2y ago
        So far. Will that continue is the question.
        ghaff 2y ago
        At a minimum, connectivity would have to be much more universal than today. Certainly, cellular is very far from pervasive and even satellite isn't 100%.
        generic92034 2y ago
        The smartphone could bridge gaps in connectivity with buffered data, depending on the purpose.

The software in my Skoda Scala and my Vauxhall/Opel Corsa is terrible as well, but like most new-ish Toyota's, all of them support Apple Play so it doesn't matter.

ghaff 2y ago

The Honda software is mediocre as well but I suspect any sensible automaker realizes that most consumers are using Car Play or Google Play so they put some junior engineers on a checklist item and call it a day.

generic92034 2y ago
I wonder when cars become inoperable without using a smartphone.
- ghaff 2y ago
  People had paper maps and often precise directions that they had on their laps or a human navigator using those maps or directions. They stopped at gas stations to ask for directions (or didn't--guys refusing to stop to ask for directions was something of a trope). So obviously they managed but probably in ways a lot of people today wouldn't find satisfactory. How did you manage before smartphones and even email/text for meeting people and generally coordinating activities generally? People managed.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    That is a different question. I can use my car without a smartphone. However if I buy a new car will I be able to use it if I break my smartphone?
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Sure. You may just not have a navigation system or be able to park in some places. I don't need a smartphone to drive in general and don't always plug it in locally. (I may more or less need a transponder on some roads or have a bit of hassle.) I guess that could change at some point but would guess that there would be a lot of pushback to Operating this vehicle requires a working smartphone especially given there's no cellular access in a lot of places.
      - bluGill 2y ago
        So far. Will that continue is the question.
        ghaff 2y ago
        At a minimum, connectivity would have to be much more universal than today. Certainly, cellular is very far from pervasive and even satellite isn't 100%.
        generic92034 2y ago
        The smartphone could bridge gaps in connectivity with buffered data, depending on the purpose.