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> I frequently wonder what breed of human sincerely disagrees. People who genuinely care to fine-tune their software to work better for their users. What monst

> I frequently wonder what breed of human sincerely disagrees. People who genuinely care to fine-tune their software to work better for their users. What monsters.

account42 2y ago
Those people can ask their users what they actually need instead of using statistics to validate their own prior assumptions.
- pdimitar 2y ago
  I hear they tried, many times, and less than 0.1% of users responded. I personally don't think it's such a monster move to send some anonymous usage data, especially if you present a box with a choice once the program starts for the first time. (Granted that's not what Manjaro is doing here.)
eth0up 2y ago
When it gets to Microsoft-level telemetry, yes, I'd say monsters. This situation? Less so. But how it so easily approaches such levels needs consideration. There's simply a prevailing view with data where "if it exists and we can access it, it are belong to us" and collectively it is monstrous. I'd rather people become overly (even unreasonably) sensitive to it than keep going with the flow. It's too easy to start with innocent bits, then more and more until real-time surveillance style Windows Recall shittery.
- pdimitar 2y ago
  > When it gets to Microsoft-level telemetry, yes, I'd say monsters. This situation? Less so. That was my point, yes. And I'll agree it's a slippery slope.
  - eth0up 2y ago
    I'll also remind you of Audacity's opt-out telemetry proposal [0]. This is a rare exception in Linux presently and I'd hate to see it become the rule. 0. Only link I could quickly find: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nbio7c/audacity_response_to_criticism_on_telemetry_pull/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nbio7c/audacity_resp...
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Isn't that being removed by maintainers? Just like most flavours of Linux come with chromium without the spyware.
      - eth0up 2y ago
        Fair question and I'm not certain. If I guessed, I'd say you're generally right, for now. I think it's important to keep that crap out altogether and maintain a refuge somewhere, where one can doff the coat, sit down and work alone. Yet a time where this is impossible is foreseeable without much imagination.

> I frequently wonder what breed of human sincerely disagrees. People who genuinely care to fine-tune their software to work better for their users. What monsters.

account42 2y ago

Those people can ask their users what they actually need instead of using statistics to validate their own prior assumptions.

pdimitar 2y ago
I hear they tried, many times, and less than 0.1% of users responded. I personally don't think it's such a monster move to send some anonymous usage data, especially if you present a box with a choice once the program starts for the first time. (Granted that's not what Manjaro is doing here.)

eth0up 2y ago

When it gets to Microsoft-level telemetry, yes, I'd say monsters. This situation? Less so. But how it so easily approaches such levels needs consideration. There's simply a prevailing view with data where "if it exists and we can access it, it are belong to us" and collectively it is monstrous. I'd rather people become overly (even unreasonably) sensitive to it than keep going with the flow. It's too easy to start with innocent bits, then more and more until real-time surveillance style Windows Recall shittery.

pdimitar 2y ago
> When it gets to Microsoft-level telemetry, yes, I'd say monsters. This situation? Less so. That was my point, yes. And I'll agree it's a slippery slope.
- eth0up 2y ago
  I'll also remind you of Audacity's opt-out telemetry proposal [0]. This is a rare exception in Linux presently and I'd hate to see it become the rule. 0. Only link I could quickly find: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nbio7c/audacity_response_to_criticism_on_telemetry_pull/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nbio7c/audacity_resp...
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Isn't that being removed by maintainers? Just like most flavours of Linux come with chromium without the spyware.
    - eth0up 2y ago
      Fair question and I'm not certain. If I guessed, I'd say you're generally right, for now. I think it's important to keep that crap out altogether and maintain a refuge somewhere, where one can doff the coat, sit down and work alone. Yet a time where this is impossible is foreseeable without much imagination.