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Americans are Googling how to 'move to Europe'. We should welcome them
- TMWNN 2y agoTitle shortened for length from "Americans are desperately Googling how to 'move to Europe'. We should welcome them".
- fuzzfactor 2y agoWell, there's plenty of room right there on the Google start page for a long-ovedue button; "I'm Feeling Desperate". But I guess it's not like they don't already know whether you are desperate or not :\
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- coldtea 2y agoThe dellusion is so great, it reads like Onion. First, of all there wont be any "brain drain" from US to Europe. So few will "walk the walk" as to be insignificant. Second, the majority of people announcing or considering such move are not the brightest light bulbs, but either hysterical (reacting like echo-bubbling maniacs to a change of President that will mostly be business as usual, as 2016-2020 was), or (those broadcasting it) attention seekers virtue signalling this because it's fashionable.
- bell-cot 2y agoYes...but that headline is clickbait, plucked from a editorial that is mostly about other things. Also kinda laughable - the article is very heavy on "the EU should" stuff, with zero mention of Britain. Vs. The Guardian is British, and Britain left the EU years ago. Reading things more charitably, I see the article as a "we need to actually get our sh*t together now" call to action. Not that I think it'll do any good, with how far Europe has sunken into dysfunctionality.
- xenospn 2y agoLast time I checked, it’s almost impossible to fire your employees once you’ve hired them in most EU/Nordic countries, even if you’re just a 3-person team. How does one build a fast moving startup this way? Genuinely asking.
- foldr 2y agoIt's perfectly possible to fire people for poor performance in the UK (which is in Europe, if not the EU). It's especially easy if the employee is within their probationary period, which could be around 6 months. You'd generally want to CYA by documenting some evidence of the poor performance, but that's something you should be doing anyway.
- arethuza 2y agoDon't most of the rules around protection from unfair dismissal only come into force after 2 years?
- foldr 2y agoI think that's right. Probation periods themselves are required to be 'reasonable', and I think 6 months is usually given as a figure that's definitely reasonable. But indeed, you don't have full rights until two years have passed.
- arethuza 2y agoIsn't a probation period a contractual thing? I don't think there is any legislation defining it? I've certainly had employment contracts (a long time ago) that didn't include it.
- foldr 2y agoYes, but if a contract specified, say, a five year probation period, that almost certainly would be 'unreasonable' and not enforceable. And yes, an employer does not have to specify a probationary period if they don't want to.
- navaed01 2y agoFunnily enough the HN post 3 above this was also by the Guardian stating they will no longer post on X, and they are on a position where it won’t be an issue because they don’t rely on sensationalist content. No meaningful number of people are leaving America because of a Trump presidency - To devote an article about how host nations should react is laughable
- 082349872349872 2y agoUntrue; there was a bump, but it's pretty much passed: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2024-11-01%202024-11-13&geo=US&q=move%20to%20europe&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2024-11-01%202... EDIT: with NZ for contrast, https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2024-11-01%202024-11-13&geo=US&q=move%20to%20europe,move%20to%20new%20zealand&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2024-11-01%202...
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoI imagine this trend wouldn't even be visible yet even as a bump.
- joegibbs 2y agoThey are Googling but I very much doubt they're doing any more than that. In 2016 we heard a lot of the same "moving to Canada/UK/Europe/Australia" but statistically speaking there was no change. Here in Australia I've met plenty of Americans, but I never met a single one who said that they left due to Trump.
- Mountain_Skies 2y agoShould be interesting when they find out the reality of abortion laws in much of Europe. There's a tendency for some in the US to view Europe as everything they like about the US minus the stuff they don't like. The reality on the ground often turns out to be much more mixed, especially on things they assume to be the US way in Europe that simply aren't. Ultimately moving to a state like California or Washington is going to get them far more of what they want in return for effort required.
- TMWNN 2y ago> Should be interesting when they find out the reality of abortion laws in much of Europe. Indeed. Let's take Germany as example: * Abortion is always illegal in Germany, because courts have repeatedly found that the fetus has a right to life. (This occurred at almost the same moment as Roe v. Wade.) * However, Section 218 of the criminal code has decriminalized abortion in some circumstances: * Before 12 weeks, with counseling and waiting period. * After 12 weeks, when rape or medical necessity is involved, with approval by two doctors, and possibly counseling and waiting period.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoOne way to do it is to pay all the fees and give up US citizenship. The other way is to keep on paying income taxes to the US government.