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I am an Australian/British dual-citizen (born in Australia but lived and worked some ~3 years in London and ~1 year in Zurich) who now works in New York. I've h
by cletus 14y ago
I am an Australian/British dual-citizen (born in Australia but lived and worked some ~3 years in London and ~1 year in Zurich) who now works in New York. I've had discussions with various people (mainly other engineers) on the topic of how one would go about starting a startup.
These discussions--largely theoretical--have centered around three problems:
1. Where?
2. The route to funding/profitability; and
3. Visa/residency issues.
(3) of course depends on (1) and the nationalities and residencies of the respective founders. As a UK citizen I luckily have the right to reside anywhere in the EU. For the US unfortunately I need a visa but Australians have access to the E3 visa, which has a lower bar to issuance than even the H1B (there is no need for the employer to "prove" they can't find someone local, which is essentially a legal circus) but there are issues in using work visas to found companies.
There are I believe many foreign engineers in the US in the same boat as me.
I've looked into the possibility of either situating in Canada or at least using it as a stepping stone. It could have a lot going for it, for example:
- Vancouver is relatively speaking close to Seattle and the Bay area;
- No health insurance problems (comparatively);
- Relatively low cost (compared to, say, San Francisco);
- English-speaking;
- Cultural similarities.
And here's where Canada really has an opportunity to attract fledgling companies: software patents. If Canada were to invalidate software patents then they'd essentially be providing a safe haven for small companies until they're large enough to defend themselves. Of course, trolls can still go after US operations (if, say, you hosted in the US) but you would be at least partially protected.
Sadly, the Canadian government seems to be just an inept when it comes to IP issues as other Western governments (and, worse, it seems to take its lead from the US).
But if you go look at the Canadian immigration sites you find out that:
- getting residency is relatively difficult; and
- engineers aren't even on the list of high-demand occupations (whereas restaurant managers are, for example).
Now Canadians could be concerned that if such a program existed people would use it until they could get to the US and I suspect that would happen a lot but I think that's fine because a certain percentage would stay. Some would employ Canadians, at least for a time. Some of those would go when the startup move. Some wouldn't.
That's how ecosystems form. It's not an exercise in being better than say Silicon Valley. Like so much else in life, it's simply an exercise in persistence and ultimately a numbers game.
Beyond those options I'm not sure where next someone in my shoes might otherwise go. London and Germany (I lived in Cologne for a time and loved it) are obvious choices.
In a bootstrapping scenario or even at a seed-funding level it would be ideal to keep costs low. Costs in the Bay Area for talent and even housing, etc are bordering nightmarish and I say this as someone who lives in Manhattan. Finding and retaining talent in SF/SV must be torture for new companies.
Personally I prefer New York but hey YMMV.
Anyway, back to Canada, it seems to have the same problem Australia does in a way: it's too focused in ripping stuff out of the ground and selling it than it is on tech. Oh well, their loss.
- px1999 14y agoContext: I'm an Australian living in Western Canada working in the tech sector. A lot of the points that are raised here are really valid - Canada has a lot going for it culturally and in quality of life. But the infrastructure to help foster and grow companies simply isn't there. Surprisingly little is computerised - government, banking, even dealing with cellphone and internet companies (who are overpriced) almost always involves finding out that you can't do what you want online, or in any digital format, so you either need to send cheques and forms by mail or sit in an office somewhere while someone does the data entry of your form while you wait. You don't even have a lot of the b2b services that you can get elsewhere. There's nothing like stripe, devpay, google checkout here, it's difficult/expensive to get your hands on mobile devices for testing, and even existing IT services all have the opaque "call us for pricing" bullshit that you get from services that don't have enough volume to be fair/transparent. Canada seems to focus on one large tech company darling until it gets run into the ground for whatever reason, but along the way seems to ignore the small businesses that could turn into the next big-ish thing. Flickr, AbeBooks and PhoneGap all pretty much got sold under the radar, and companies that are still in Canada, like HootSuite, seem to be getting equally ignored. Yeah, Canada's an awesome place to live, but in terms of a place for startups, it seems like it'd be much easier to move somewhere conducive to running your business. edit: grammar/spelling
- geoka9 14y agoE3 visa, which has a lower bar to issuance than even the H1B (there is no need for the employer to "prove" they can't find someone local, which is essentially a legal circus) There's no need to prove that for H1B; it's only needed then sponsoring for employment based green card.
- jasveer 14y agoCanada actually does have relatively weak protection for software patents. Here's the Wikipedia primer on Amazon's application for their one-click shopping patent (which was eventually granted, mind you, but only after a long court battle): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_matter_in_patent_law_in_Canada#Business_methods:_Amazon.27s_one-click_shopping_patent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_matter_in_patent_law_in...
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