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Must be in datacenter use, since they've still got a 70% majority [0] in home use and it's barely dropping at all. Maybe gamers are some specific outlier that p

Must be in datacenter use, since they've still got a 70% majority [0] in home use and it's barely dropping at all. Maybe gamers are some specific outlier that prefers Intel specifically, but all I hear them talking about are the X3D processors so it doesn't make any sense. I think lots of people still buy Intel because AMD now charges a notable premium for their understandably vastly better hardware. [0] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

Zekio 2y ago
steam hardware survey isn't affected very quickly by current sales
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Why not? It's a monthly survey, it should be impeccably up to date with what people are using. It's also not accounting for things like the absolute flood of N100 mini pcs (since they're typically not gaming rigs) that sell for barely anything compared to the cheapest AMD offer. Granted they also suck, but Intel seems to have really invested themselves into the Chinese style quantity over quality, selling lots and lots of cheap crap which will influence any sort of percentage survey massively.
  - genocidicbunny 2y ago
    Annual sales are a fraction of the hardware that's already out there. If you dig into the Steam HW surveys you will find positively ancient hardware still being used. Most people don't replace their systems more than one or twice a decade. Iirc, the Nvidia 1000 series gpus were still the most common ones according to the stream survey even when the 4000 series was being released. And when Ryzen was first released, there was still a sizeable fraction of steam users on core2duo processors.
    - moffkalast 2y ago
      Well that's true, but even so the delta should indicate what people are buying right this moment. If we take the 132M Steam users and have each one buy something every 5 years, that's 2.2M each month or 1.67%. The 5 year figure is probably on the high end so let's maybe say 1.5%. The delta this month was +1.2% for AMD, so would that imply that 80% of people bought AMD, and 20% Intel? In August AMD seems to have actually had negative delta, maybe from people selling the effed up 13/14th gen for cheap? Idk.
HelloNurse 2y ago
If a PC lasts 40 months (might be more, might be less) and new CPUs have been out 2 months, assuming no growth of the market only 5% of PCs have been replaced in that period and therefore the impact on something like the Steam survey cannot exceed an increase/decrease of 5% compared to the previous aggregate results. Arithmetic is your friend!
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Well Ryzen (which is when AMD became a better choice) launched about 7 years ago, so AMD should've replaced most Intel CPUs since then given that it's like 84 months if that figure of yours holds, but the market share curve has basically been flat.
selivanovp 2y ago
I'm in programming, not hardware, but people who's business is selling PC's told me that the main reason of continuing Intel dominance in long term manufacturers contracts, so laptops and prebuilt PC's are still dominantly based on Intel hardware, and that's what most people buy.

Zekio 2y ago

steam hardware survey isn't affected very quickly by current sales

moffkalast 2y ago
Why not? It's a monthly survey, it should be impeccably up to date with what people are using. It's also not accounting for things like the absolute flood of N100 mini pcs (since they're typically not gaming rigs) that sell for barely anything compared to the cheapest AMD offer. Granted they also suck, but Intel seems to have really invested themselves into the Chinese style quantity over quality, selling lots and lots of cheap crap which will influence any sort of percentage survey massively.
- genocidicbunny 2y ago
  Annual sales are a fraction of the hardware that's already out there. If you dig into the Steam HW surveys you will find positively ancient hardware still being used. Most people don't replace their systems more than one or twice a decade. Iirc, the Nvidia 1000 series gpus were still the most common ones according to the stream survey even when the 4000 series was being released. And when Ryzen was first released, there was still a sizeable fraction of steam users on core2duo processors.
  - moffkalast 2y ago
    Well that's true, but even so the delta should indicate what people are buying right this moment. If we take the 132M Steam users and have each one buy something every 5 years, that's 2.2M each month or 1.67%. The 5 year figure is probably on the high end so let's maybe say 1.5%. The delta this month was +1.2% for AMD, so would that imply that 80% of people bought AMD, and 20% Intel? In August AMD seems to have actually had negative delta, maybe from people selling the effed up 13/14th gen for cheap? Idk.

HelloNurse 2y ago

If a PC lasts 40 months (might be more, might be less) and new CPUs have been out 2 months, assuming no growth of the market only 5% of PCs have been replaced in that period and therefore the impact on something like the Steam survey cannot exceed an increase/decrease of 5% compared to the previous aggregate results. Arithmetic is your friend!

moffkalast 2y ago
Well Ryzen (which is when AMD became a better choice) launched about 7 years ago, so AMD should've replaced most Intel CPUs since then given that it's like 84 months if that figure of yours holds, but the market share curve has basically been flat.

selivanovp 2y ago

I'm in programming, not hardware, but people who's business is selling PC's told me that the main reason of continuing Intel dominance in long term manufacturers contracts, so laptops and prebuilt PC's are still dominantly based on Intel hardware, and that's what most people buy.