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I don't follow PC hardware at all but recently I'm looking into replacing my 10 year old gaming PC and would normally just throw in an upper-mid range Intel CPU

I don't follow PC hardware at all but recently I'm looking into replacing my 10 year old gaming PC and would normally just throw in an upper-mid range Intel CPU and be done with it But with the recent failures of intel CPUs it's had me looking into AMDs to find the equivalent. I don't want to risk my investment not lasting because it just burns out over time. (Also I like the fact that each generation doesn't have a new socket unlike intel)

facialwipe 2y ago
The Ryzen X3D CPUs are really the best value out there for gaming.
- blkhawk 2y ago
  especially long term - boy does the 5800x3d have legs.
- ChrisRR 2y ago
  I got a bit confused by the X3D CPUs as many places listed X3D is the equivalent to the largest i5. But on the flip side the latest X3D is a few years old so I didn't know why it's better than the more recent version of their non-X3D CPUs
  - genocidicbunny 2y ago
    The latest X3D cpu was just released, as part of the 9000 series. Though it's probably out of stock because it's currently just about the best processor for cache heavy workloads, especially gaming. The X3D chips have way larger caches so they punch well above their weight on many workloads that are traditionally cache bound. And with the 9000 series they figured out a better assembly method so they work even better than the 7000 or 5000 series ones.
    - ChrisRR 2y ago
      Thanks for the info. So if I wait a few months for stock to replenish it sounds like the 9000 series X3D may be a good option for a future-proof gaming PC
      - SSLy 2y ago
        yea, or if you're in hurry, get something older gen with AM5 socket, and swap to 9800X3D once it's available.
        genocidicbunny 2y ago
        You might even be able to pick up a used 7000 X3D from someone else that's upgrading to the 9000 X3D series. They're still very capable chips.
  - yourusername 2y ago
    The latest X3D just came out last week (9800X3D).
  - newsclues 2y ago
    The 5800x3d is older but still one of the best gaming CPUs, because of the fast cache. https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/rip-intel-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-285k-14900k-more#9800x3d-gaming-benchmarks https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/rip-intel-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-c... The cpu naming is so bad and confusing, I think it’s deliberate to confuse consumers that aren’t up to date.
  - facialwipe 2y ago
    Several new AM4 & AM5 X3D CPUs released this year.
homebrewer 2y ago
AMD had a similar problem which was caused by some motherboards pushing the SoC voltage too high (because it provides better overclocking). If you want to be careful (and it looks like you are), stay away from the latest hardware and avoid overclocking (or learn the theory and configure everything yourself -- if you do any automatic overclocking, voltages set by most motherboards are still higher than what I'm personally comfortable with; usually you can push them way down without affecting stability, but it takes hours of trial and error). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI
smolder 2y ago
Intels 12000-14000 chips were ironically only having problems when cooled well, because before the latest microcode they would ramp up the voltage too much with sufficient cooling. When run ragged at high temps they were reliable even before the updates.
wccrawford 2y ago
I recently had a problem that I thought might be the CPU, mobo, or RAM, and was looking at upgrading. For the same reasons as you, I also decided I'd get an AMD this time. The only real choice seemed to be the 7800X3D for a gamer. (Though now the 9800X3D is out, so that's probably the better choice.) Luckily, after my computer locked up and rebooted enough times, I realized it always happened while saving the game. I replaced the C: drive's NVME and that fixed the problem, so that upgrade can be put off again for a while.

facialwipe 2y ago

The Ryzen X3D CPUs are really the best value out there for gaming.

blkhawk 2y ago
especially long term - boy does the 5800x3d have legs.
ChrisRR 2y ago
I got a bit confused by the X3D CPUs as many places listed X3D is the equivalent to the largest i5. But on the flip side the latest X3D is a few years old so I didn't know why it's better than the more recent version of their non-X3D CPUs
- genocidicbunny 2y ago
  The latest X3D cpu was just released, as part of the 9000 series. Though it's probably out of stock because it's currently just about the best processor for cache heavy workloads, especially gaming. The X3D chips have way larger caches so they punch well above their weight on many workloads that are traditionally cache bound. And with the 9000 series they figured out a better assembly method so they work even better than the 7000 or 5000 series ones.
  - ChrisRR 2y ago
    Thanks for the info. So if I wait a few months for stock to replenish it sounds like the 9000 series X3D may be a good option for a future-proof gaming PC
    - SSLy 2y ago
      yea, or if you're in hurry, get something older gen with AM5 socket, and swap to 9800X3D once it's available.
      - genocidicbunny 2y ago
        You might even be able to pick up a used 7000 X3D from someone else that's upgrading to the 9000 X3D series. They're still very capable chips.
- yourusername 2y ago
  The latest X3D just came out last week (9800X3D).
- newsclues 2y ago
  The 5800x3d is older but still one of the best gaming CPUs, because of the fast cache. https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/rip-intel-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-285k-14900k-more#9800x3d-gaming-benchmarks https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/rip-intel-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-c... The cpu naming is so bad and confusing, I think it’s deliberate to confuse consumers that aren’t up to date.
- facialwipe 2y ago
  Several new AM4 & AM5 X3D CPUs released this year.

homebrewer 2y ago

AMD had a similar problem which was caused by some motherboards pushing the SoC voltage too high (because it provides better overclocking). If you want to be careful (and it looks like you are), stay away from the latest hardware and avoid overclocking (or learn the theory and configure everything yourself -- if you do any automatic overclocking, voltages set by most motherboards are still higher than what I'm personally comfortable with; usually you can push them way down without affecting stability, but it takes hours of trial and error). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI

smolder 2y ago

Intels 12000-14000 chips were ironically only having problems when cooled well, because before the latest microcode they would ramp up the voltage too much with sufficient cooling. When run ragged at high temps they were reliable even before the updates.

wccrawford 2y ago

I recently had a problem that I thought might be the CPU, mobo, or RAM, and was looking at upgrading. For the same reasons as you, I also decided I'd get an AMD this time. The only real choice seemed to be the 7800X3D for a gamer. (Though now the 9800X3D is out, so that's probably the better choice.) Luckily, after my computer locked up and rebooted enough times, I realized it always happened while saving the game. I replaced the C: drive's NVME and that fixed the problem, so that upgrade can be put off again for a while.