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> I can't understand the basis for your views. Maybe it has something to do with being the co-head of the announced Department of Government Efficiency with Vi

> I can't understand the basis for your views. Maybe it has something to do with being the co-head of the announced Department of Government Efficiency with Vivek Ramaswamy, who he definitely supports, and who yelled at the Republican primary: “The climate change agenda is a hoax”. Musk sure criticizes Dems for every single little thing but I haven’t heard any criticism about that… https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ye9lg8hWfQg&pp=ygUjVml2ZWsgcmFtYXN3YW15IGNsaW1hdGUgY2hhbmdlIGhvYXg%3D https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ye9lg8hWfQg&pp=ygUjVml2ZWsgcmFtY...

ghiculescu 2y ago
This doesn’t seem like it outweighs the arguments made above.
- azernik 2y ago
  He endorsed a candidate who will eviscerate climate incentives, funded his campaign on a massive scale, and will serve in his administration. Those actions weigh a heavier than his lip service. Actions speak louder than words.
  - ghiculescu 2y ago
    Actions speak louder than words is totally true, which is why I trust the guy who made us all drive electric cars over some random internet commentator.
    - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
      You mean the California regulator who created the market for Tesla and other electric cars?
    - smt88 2y ago
      This comment aged poorly. We just learned the Trump Administration is killing EV tax credits.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >who will ITT I see many people who seem to believe they can predict the future with perfect confidence, and that supporting evidence is not required for these predictions.
    - azernik 2y ago
      We are not living in a world that was created yesterday. Trump has been president before, we can look to that record when making predictions. Last time he pulled out of the Paris accords and incentivized increased oil production, while making none of the massive investments in renewables and EVs that the Biden Administration would later make.
      - lightbritefight 2y ago
        He has already stated he will be pulling out of the Paris accords again, so the above comment is disingenuous about current day events as well.
      - zahlman 2y ago
        Very well, then. I have bookmarked your comment so that I can refer to it 4 years hence.
- preisschild 2y ago
  Of course it does, because that means he will put populism above his own beliefs.
  - ghiculescu 2y ago
    You have no evidence of this other than (I assume) an irrational hate of him.
zahlman 2y ago
"The climate change agenda" clearly means something different to him than "climate change". Again: his statements on the record are very consistent, and completely congruent with a belief that other people are wrong about how to solve the problem, while also agreeing that the problem exists.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  You know damn well that “the climate change agenda” means an electrical grid like CA, with solar, wind, and batteries, that produces 6x less pollution than coal based grids in the Midwest. EVs and public transit using clean energy as opposed to 20mpg SUVs and trucks. They’re simply using a wink and a nod with the word “agenda” to fool rubes into protecting Oil and Gas interests, which include dictatorial petroleum-states like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >You know damn well No, I don't. Because I don't think it has a clear referent at all. Aside from which, what I do or don't know is completely irrelevant to what Elon Musk means when he uses the term. That said, I'm pretty sure that the guy who owns Tesla is in favour of EVs taking over. >They’re simply using a wink and a nod with the word “agenda” This is exactly why political "discussion" doesn't work well on HN.

ghiculescu 2y ago

This doesn’t seem like it outweighs the arguments made above.

azernik 2y ago
He endorsed a candidate who will eviscerate climate incentives, funded his campaign on a massive scale, and will serve in his administration. Those actions weigh a heavier than his lip service. Actions speak louder than words.
- ghiculescu 2y ago
  Actions speak louder than words is totally true, which is why I trust the guy who made us all drive electric cars over some random internet commentator.
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    You mean the California regulator who created the market for Tesla and other electric cars?
  - smt88 2y ago
    This comment aged poorly. We just learned the Trump Administration is killing EV tax credits.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >who will ITT I see many people who seem to believe they can predict the future with perfect confidence, and that supporting evidence is not required for these predictions.
  - azernik 2y ago
    We are not living in a world that was created yesterday. Trump has been president before, we can look to that record when making predictions. Last time he pulled out of the Paris accords and incentivized increased oil production, while making none of the massive investments in renewables and EVs that the Biden Administration would later make.
    - lightbritefight 2y ago
      He has already stated he will be pulling out of the Paris accords again, so the above comment is disingenuous about current day events as well.
    - zahlman 2y ago
      Very well, then. I have bookmarked your comment so that I can refer to it 4 years hence.
preisschild 2y ago
Of course it does, because that means he will put populism above his own beliefs.
- ghiculescu 2y ago
  You have no evidence of this other than (I assume) an irrational hate of him.

zahlman 2y ago

"The climate change agenda" clearly means something different to him than "climate change". Again: his statements on the record are very consistent, and completely congruent with a belief that other people are wrong about how to solve the problem, while also agreeing that the problem exists.

reducesuffering 2y ago
You know damn well that “the climate change agenda” means an electrical grid like CA, with solar, wind, and batteries, that produces 6x less pollution than coal based grids in the Midwest. EVs and public transit using clean energy as opposed to 20mpg SUVs and trucks. They’re simply using a wink and a nod with the word “agenda” to fool rubes into protecting Oil and Gas interests, which include dictatorial petroleum-states like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >You know damn well No, I don't. Because I don't think it has a clear referent at all. Aside from which, what I do or don't know is completely irrelevant to what Elon Musk means when he uses the term. That said, I'm pretty sure that the guy who owns Tesla is in favour of EVs taking over. >They’re simply using a wink and a nod with the word “agenda” This is exactly why political "discussion" doesn't work well on HN.