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Musk can't even restrain himself from taking his jet for 15 minute flights to the beach. That's the flight time. That doesn't include the APU running while the

Musk can't even restrain himself from taking his jet for 15 minute flights to the beach. That's the flight time. That doesn't include the APU running while the pilots get the plane configured/engine warmup time, /taxi time pre takeoff and then taxi time after landing. It's just about the most CO2-intensive fuck-the-planet way one should possibly travel ~60 miles...and doesn't even get into the pollution aspects of jet emissions at high altitudes. For 2022, his jet usage equaled 2,100 tons of CO2. To put that in perspective: if you drive 10,000 miles a year, and get about 25mpg, then you're using about 400 gallons of fuel, which equals 7.6T of CO2. Just from his flights alone, Musk generates as much CO2 as nearly three hundred cars.

tirant 2y ago
I'm completely fine with the most productive individuals we have in the world being extreme CO2 consumers. Impact on global emissions is, in any case, negligible. However, the impact on having companies like Tesla selling around 2 million electric vehicles a year or more, really compensates for those 2,100 tons of CO2.
- recursive 2y ago
  If only he was consuming CO2.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  I'm not. I believe in people setting good examples. Electric cars like Tesla sell are still completely unsustainable and enormous sources of CO2 and pollutants. They are doing nothing for the larger car problem that we have. Arguably they make it even worse.
  - tirant 2y ago
    Setting a good example by driving an EV, that is right, but what is the alternative for short and quick flights ? At the moment electric airfare is not yet developed so availability is not there. Everything we manufacture is unsustainable, but some are more than unsustainable than others. EV manufacturing is preferable to ICE. We need to accept that if we want to keep humans on this planets and out of poverty and hunger we need to use our environment in our favor with some degree of unsustainability, there’s no way out of it. The large car problem is only a problem in cities, and should be addressed there. Countries like Netherlands address it really well: bikes and pedestrians get the space they deserve and cars are isolated in their own infrastructure.

tirant 2y ago

I'm completely fine with the most productive individuals we have in the world being extreme CO2 consumers. Impact on global emissions is, in any case, negligible. However, the impact on having companies like Tesla selling around 2 million electric vehicles a year or more, really compensates for those 2,100 tons of CO2.

recursive 2y ago
If only he was consuming CO2.
globular-toast 2y ago
I'm not. I believe in people setting good examples. Electric cars like Tesla sell are still completely unsustainable and enormous sources of CO2 and pollutants. They are doing nothing for the larger car problem that we have. Arguably they make it even worse.
- tirant 2y ago
  Setting a good example by driving an EV, that is right, but what is the alternative for short and quick flights ? At the moment electric airfare is not yet developed so availability is not there. Everything we manufacture is unsustainable, but some are more than unsustainable than others. EV manufacturing is preferable to ICE. We need to accept that if we want to keep humans on this planets and out of poverty and hunger we need to use our environment in our favor with some degree of unsustainability, there’s no way out of it. The large car problem is only a problem in cities, and should be addressed there. Countries like Netherlands address it really well: bikes and pedestrians get the space they deserve and cars are isolated in their own infrastructure.