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Do you ever plan on updating? Also, if the telemetry was automatically sent whenever you requested an update, would it be acceptable? By painting telemetry as
by sodality2 2y ago
Do you ever plan on updating? Also, if the telemetry was automatically sent whenever you requested an update, would it be acceptable?
By painting telemetry as bad _because_ of the inherent tracking available due to the TCP/IP connections being made in the background, that does nothing to say the above is bad, since you've already agreed to implicitly worse tracking (since third parties now have that data) in an affirmative manner by requesting an update.
I would agree that this implementation (and opt-out telemetry in general) is bad, but let's not pretend that it's bad because it makes connections to servers over the internet.
- Lammy 2y agoWho's pretending? I build and host my own package updates, host my own NTP, etc. None of my machines do anything that leaves my network unless I'm the one actively doing it. It's not that hard.
- sodality2 2y agoSo all your software that does the updating of your packages are bad, because they make network requests? opt-out telemetry is bad because it disrespects user consent by assuming they have it. Not because it uses the network.
- codedokode 2y agoI can run a package manager command for update manually when I need it. Or I can enable periodic update checks. Computer should do what I order, so sending telemetry without my permission is not ok. In Linux you (or package manager) typically don't send requests for an update; you download a package list, see which packages are updated and download and install them. The request should not include any identifiers like installation id or software version. You can also download from a mirror in a selected country or even self-hosted mirror (which is useful for some companies). This is what distinguishes open software from commercial software: you can choose a provider for network-based services or become a provider yourself. > By painting telemetry as bad Bad is doing things with user's computer or data without explicit permission/request to do it.