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Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to Lead Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
- donsupreme 2y agoDoes Elon need to divest his business holdings to run a government agency that can directly affect his investment?
- peutetre 2y agoNo, no, no. That's not how you do oligarchy.
- mlindner 2y agoGiven that this "government agency" apparently is going to "provide advice and guidance from outside of Government" it wouldn't hit that divesting rule. Only if you're on government payroll does that apply AFAIK. But IANAL.
- meiraleal 2y agoOf course not. He made an illegal lottery to buy votes and got away with it. Love to see US corruption in the face of everybody so the US stop attacking other countries using allegedly corruption.
- andrewinardeer 2y agoDidn't a court rule it was legal?
- Gomer1800 2y agoSo I've listened to Vivek in interviews, and its clear to me at least that he 1) Doesn't like poor immigrants, considers them a net drain on national resources. 2) Believes that the profile of a desirable immigrant is Educated, English Speaking, Westernized (As far as American civics/ideals are concerned). 3) Doesn't think Americans are culturally capable of upskilling and retooling to bring back the semiconductor industry. So given the above. What does his appointment spell for the tech industry. Do we expect an uptick in H1b-visa workers? Are we onshoring the semiconductor industry in the US? Also primary source (interview): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-vivek-ramaswamy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...
- laweijfmvo 2y agoif the focus is actually eliminating “fraud and improper payments” then i’m all for it. but i don’t expect they’ll try to or be able to accomplish anything that practical.
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- mrandish 2y agoIt's a nice idea because there's certainly a lot of inefficiency in the federal government, however I'm skeptical a separate external commission of outsiders (no matter how smart and motivated) will be able to accomplish much in the ~6 months it will exist. Senior career bureaucrats inside large federal agencies are apex grand masters of manipulation, camouflage and political hostage-taking. They'll deploy malicious compliance, weaponized policy farming and media leaks in ways so viciously devious it'll make Alien Xenomorphs look like Care Bears.
- mtnGoat 2y agoIt will exist for roughly 18 months. January 2025 to July 2026. Thrice as much time to do the “work”.
- techfeathers 2y agoThis feels like the proverbial "Heading the FBI Office out of Rural Alaska". A new Extra-governmental agency? "As the first order of business, this commission will develop an action plan to totally eliminate fraud and improper payments within six months." Could be legit, or could just be a report that is filed away. I suspect that is the reason for an extra-governmental agency. If they do something good, great, if not, easy to fire them.
- doom2 2y agoIt seems inefficient to have two people in charge of an agency. Wouldn't it be more efficient to not even create a new agency and just have Trump make these determinations? Otherwise you're creating more bureaucracy to eliminate other bureaucracy which is... inefficient.
- kombookcha 2y agoIt's very funny that the very first thing anybody knows about the department of efficiency is that it has two bosses.
- TheAlchemist 2y ago"The announcement of Ramaswamy and particularly Musk, who leads companies with existing, lucrative government contracts, raises immediate questions about potential conflicts of interest" Absolutely no conflict of interest, between this and SpaceX. You can bet that he will try to cut grants and any programs designed to boost competition in rockets & space.
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- Geee 2y agoOriginal announcement: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113472884874740859 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1134728848747...
- WalterBright 2y agoJavier Gerardo Milei (President of Argentina) has managed to do this simply by eliminating entire agencies.
- halJordan 2y agoTrump has clearly and repeatedly said he will delete the dept of education. I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to stay on top of trump's platform.
- mtnGoat 2y agoHow long ago and what has the outcome been? Curious to start learning more abut what we might be walking into.
- meiraleal 2y agoUnemployment and recession. But after a year, inflation is back to the levels of when he got in power
- credit_guy 2y ago> But after a year, inflation is back to the levels of when he got in power Is that so? You mean this AP release from today is fake [1]? >BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentina’s inflation slowed to 2.7% in October, the lowest level in three years in a win for the libertarian government of President Javier Milei who came to power almost a year ago promising to pull Argentina out of a dire economic crisis. [1] https://apnews.com/article/argentina-inflation-milei-economy-21560cec4fd473a95155adf06ca46c4a https://apnews.com/article/argentina-inflation-milei-economy...
- pgodzin 2y agoJust to be clear, that's monthly inflation, not annual. Annual is still 193%
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- heraclius1729 2y agoIf any entity needs some effort put into process streamlining and efficiency, it's the US government. But, seriously... Why, oh why, did it have to be called "DOGE"?
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago>Why, oh why, did it have to be called "DOGE"? Doesn't it depend on how you pronounce it? Over here, we pronounce it 'doge'.
- peutetre 2y ago> Why, oh why, did it have to be called "DOGE"? Because Musk thinks it's funny.
- heraclius1729 2y agoHe sure got a gift for naming things. Between his S3XY cars and the Big Falcon Rocket from back in the day.
- theandrewbailey 2y agoOnce, I mentioned to a friend that if you were to list all US counties by average income, the two northern Virginia counties would be in the top 5. He said 'that's because the government has never had a recession.' I guess that might finally happen soon, and if it does, a lot of resentful people are going to have schadenfreude at rich bureaucrats losing their jobs.
- nemo44x 2y agoWhat I love about this is that it has a defined mission and an expiration date. Everything should have this. Instead once they accomplish their original mission their only goal is to survive and the best way to do that is to grow and manage more things unrelated to the original goal. I’m not sure DOGE is successful but the concept of creating a program where the goal is to delete itself by accomplishing a specific mission by a specific time is great.
- LargoLasskhyfv 2y agoR U shittn me?! DOGE? Of all things? Such pork-barrels. Much wow! ( https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=dogecoin&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=dogecoin&iax=images&ia=imag... )
- rpmisms 2y agoElon runs an efficient and innovative business off of government contracts. He is probably the right person to define what those contracts should look like. Cost-plus is garbage.
- toastercat 2y agoWhat's the difference between this and the GAO? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Offi...
- mlindner 2y agoI can't remember the GAO ever doing investigations on government inefficiency. Mostly I see reports from them on where projects are blowing out budgets or instances where the government isn't properly reporting to the public. They don't identify solutions to problems usually, just point out the problems.
- GauntletWizard 2y agoThe same as the difference between the Department of Redundancy Department and the Bureau of Standard Acronyms http://www.alexandraerin.com/2015/05/fiction-the-redundant-man-who-was-redundant/ http://www.alexandraerin.com/2015/05/fiction-the-redundant-m...
- nilsherzig 2y agoWhere do you guys find these? I really enjoy reading these short stories people post on here
- fldskfjdslkfj 2y agoAs in do(d)ge Tesla cars after Musk removes all safety regulations for self driving cars?
- more_corn 2y agoThis will simply be an opportunity to further their political aims by de-funding things they don’t like: FBI investigated trump for illegally retaining secret records. I guarantee there will be a review of their funding. EPA gets in elons way by requiring that he not poison wildlife and people. That agency will be axed or gutted or beheaded. Starve the beast has been a republican strategy for decades. It doesn’t mean lower spending or financial prudence. It means starve the government programs you don’t like because they conflict with your ideology. Note that trillions of dollars of spending on weapon systems is off the table. Things like the Abrams tanks the army doesn’t want or need. The trillion dollar boondoggle of the f35 1.7 trillion to upgrade nuclear weapon systems (the only purpose of which is to eliminate all human life) This will be the biggest shit-show our country has ever seen. It’ll be an austerity program run by insane ideologues. We’ll be luck if it’s just a joke. But it’ll probably lead to a recession by July of 2025.
- archagon 2y agoThe government is going to be brutally gutted like Twitter. Our nation’s deep institutional knowledge destroyed for no good reason. Sad.
- krapp 2y agoTo paraphrase H.L. Mencken, Americans are about to get the government they deserve, and get it good and hard.
- zerealshadowban 2y agoYes, every 4 years the American people get the President they deserve.
- anotherevan 2y agoI’ve already nicknames this the “Department of Government Efficiency Department” in my head.