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I mind this design decision a hell of a lot less than the baffling deliberate decision to map EVERY KEYBOARD BUTTON to be equivalent to the power button (which

I mind this design decision a hell of a lot less than the baffling deliberate decision to map EVERY KEYBOARD BUTTON to be equivalent to the power button (which the damn thing already has) on their laptop line-up. I love it when my macbook is turned off and I accidentally nudge a single letter on the keyboard and it powers back on - not to mention when you're drying to clean it with a micro fiber cloth.

lukevp 2y ago
If you fully shut down a mac laptop, you have to press and hold the power button to turn it back on. Not sure what you’re talking about here and probably why you’re getting downvoted.
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  I don't know about every macbook, but I just tried this twice on my 2019 macbook pro and pressing any key on the keyboard (or at least the 2 keys I tried, "f" and "8") will power it on when it is powered off (yes, fully shut down, not asleep). Based on some quick googling, this still appears to be the case for M-series macbooks.
- H1Supreme 2y ago
  My M1 Macbook Pro turns on (after being fully shut down) by keypress.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    That’s a pretty wild definition of “fully shut down” that manufacturers (not just Apple) are pushing. When my device is shut down, I expect it to be fully de-energized and drawing zero current. How can a keyboard action re-apply power if the button itself is not completing the power circuit? This is one of the reasons I’ve started putting all of my devices on power strips with physical switches that de-energize the AC mains. You can’t even trust devices to power off when they say they are off. The number of devices in your home that draw current when they are “off” is too damn high.
- n_ary 2y ago
  Since the introduction of M1 series, there is no permanent shutdown. Even after full shutdown, any keypress on keyboard will power up the system.
redler 2y ago
Just lock the screen and you’re good to go for keyboard cleaning.
- derefr 2y ago
  What's the equivalent of "locking the screen" for cleaning an Apple TV's paired remote?
  - simondotau 2y ago
    Tell the Apple TV to restart and you have 15 seconds to clean the remote.
- m0dest 2y ago
  With a locked screen, key presses go to the password field. I have twice caused my user account to become disabled due to too many password attempts while cleaning my keyboard.
  - einr 2y ago
    A pro tip from a Mac sysadmin who gets to clean a lot of filthy laptops: https://folivora.ai/keyboardcleantool https://folivora.ai/keyboardcleantool
620gelato 2y ago
For better or worse, I have a habit of clicking the touchpad or a few keys after I shut down my laptop. Just to make sure it's shut down properly. Back in Windows days with HDDs and hibernate, laptops sometimes took minutes to shut down completely, and I don't like closing the lid before shut down is complete. Now, I end up restarting with that mere act, and have to long-press to shut down again because the shut down option won't show up on login screen.
- fkgmeqnb 2y ago
  > shut down option won't show up on login screen. It does. At least I can see it on my personal MBA and work MBP. To right corner

lukevp 2y ago

If you fully shut down a mac laptop, you have to press and hold the power button to turn it back on. Not sure what you’re talking about here and probably why you’re getting downvoted.

Vegenoid 2y ago
I don't know about every macbook, but I just tried this twice on my 2019 macbook pro and pressing any key on the keyboard (or at least the 2 keys I tried, "f" and "8") will power it on when it is powered off (yes, fully shut down, not asleep). Based on some quick googling, this still appears to be the case for M-series macbooks.
H1Supreme 2y ago
My M1 Macbook Pro turns on (after being fully shut down) by keypress.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  That’s a pretty wild definition of “fully shut down” that manufacturers (not just Apple) are pushing. When my device is shut down, I expect it to be fully de-energized and drawing zero current. How can a keyboard action re-apply power if the button itself is not completing the power circuit? This is one of the reasons I’ve started putting all of my devices on power strips with physical switches that de-energize the AC mains. You can’t even trust devices to power off when they say they are off. The number of devices in your home that draw current when they are “off” is too damn high.
n_ary 2y ago
Since the introduction of M1 series, there is no permanent shutdown. Even after full shutdown, any keypress on keyboard will power up the system.

redler 2y ago

Just lock the screen and you’re good to go for keyboard cleaning.

derefr 2y ago
What's the equivalent of "locking the screen" for cleaning an Apple TV's paired remote?
- simondotau 2y ago
  Tell the Apple TV to restart and you have 15 seconds to clean the remote.
m0dest 2y ago
With a locked screen, key presses go to the password field. I have twice caused my user account to become disabled due to too many password attempts while cleaning my keyboard.
- einr 2y ago
  A pro tip from a Mac sysadmin who gets to clean a lot of filthy laptops: https://folivora.ai/keyboardcleantool https://folivora.ai/keyboardcleantool

620gelato 2y ago

For better or worse, I have a habit of clicking the touchpad or a few keys after I shut down my laptop. Just to make sure it's shut down properly. Back in Windows days with HDDs and hibernate, laptops sometimes took minutes to shut down completely, and I don't like closing the lid before shut down is complete. Now, I end up restarting with that mere act, and have to long-press to shut down again because the shut down option won't show up on login screen.

fkgmeqnb 2y ago
> shut down option won't show up on login screen. It does. At least I can see it on my personal MBA and work MBP. To right corner