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This is moving the goal post and then some. You asked why or where a person might prefer a much safer mode of transportation for themselves then exhort them for

by creer 2y ago

This is moving the goal post and then some. You asked why or where a person might prefer a much safer mode of transportation for themselves then exhort them for not fixing a social problem! In the case of San Francisco, the population as a whole - through its elections - supports having the mentally ill, the aggressive (whether it's drugs, mental illness, or idle entertainment), and the sick on the street and in public transit. Good luck with your project to fix that. Your help is needed.

rglullis 2y ago
> In the case of San Francisco Is Waymo planning to stay confined to California only? The US? Car-dependent US and Canada? No, you can bet that their investors are betting they will be able to export their "solution" everywhere around the world.
- creer 2y ago
  And wherever Waymo deploys, it's pretty likely that people will be using it because there is a need for it - rather than ideological push to hand over money to Google. (I guess I was being unclear: not their personal inclination to hand over money to Google - but rather pragmatically having to make it from point A to point B within a set of constraints and available means including Waymo.) That doesn't prevent you from helping San Francisco with its problems.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    Right, because drug dealers and VC-fueled companies never managed to get market share by price dumping and subsidizing the costs in the beginning to kill the competition. Uber is now finally posting a profit: are they now really cheaper/better than taxis? No, they aren't.
- simonw 2y ago
  "Is Waymo planning to stay confined to California only?" It's already live in Phoenix Arizona and Austin Texas.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    Yeah, my point exactly. Everyone wants to find an excuse to avoid doing the difficult thing instead of organizing themselves to solve their systemic issues. Berlin also has lots of homeless people. It also deals with junkies in the stations and the trains. But this doesn't stop kids in elementary school to take the Ubahn by themselves, and it doesn't get people to say "I feel unsafe, therefore I want a car", they say "I feel unsafe, and I want to be able to take public transit like everyone else.

by creer 2y ago

rglullis 2y ago

> In the case of San Francisco Is Waymo planning to stay confined to California only? The US? Car-dependent US and Canada? No, you can bet that their investors are betting they will be able to export their "solution" everywhere around the world.

creer 2y ago
And wherever Waymo deploys, it's pretty likely that people will be using it because there is a need for it - rather than ideological push to hand over money to Google. (I guess I was being unclear: not their personal inclination to hand over money to Google - but rather pragmatically having to make it from point A to point B within a set of constraints and available means including Waymo.) That doesn't prevent you from helping San Francisco with its problems.
- rglullis 2y ago
  Right, because drug dealers and VC-fueled companies never managed to get market share by price dumping and subsidizing the costs in the beginning to kill the competition. Uber is now finally posting a profit: are they now really cheaper/better than taxis? No, they aren't.
simonw 2y ago
"Is Waymo planning to stay confined to California only?" It's already live in Phoenix Arizona and Austin Texas.
- rglullis 2y ago
  Yeah, my point exactly. Everyone wants to find an excuse to avoid doing the difficult thing instead of organizing themselves to solve their systemic issues. Berlin also has lots of homeless people. It also deals with junkies in the stations and the trains. But this doesn't stop kids in elementary school to take the Ubahn by themselves, and it doesn't get people to say "I feel unsafe, therefore I want a car", they say "I feel unsafe, and I want to be able to take public transit like everyone else.