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What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is

by sgc 2y ago

What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it.

gruez 2y ago
>What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot >Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it. If your paranoia level is this high, what makes you think they won't put a backup GPS receiver in the SoC or modem? They're perfect places for it, because they have tons of traces connected to them that you could piggy back off one to use as a rudimentary antenna.
- Lammy 2y ago
  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A...
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    That second link was nearly limb-preserving, and may actually be the only solution to some self-defined axiomatic arguments. Thank you.
- sgc 2y ago
  We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? More like Russell's teapot would apply to anybody who would assert there is a benign and benevolent corporate actor out there. Prove it. You can't, and every major company in this domain has been caught out at least a few times, plus we know there are laws on the books that force them into secrecy. This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies.
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. I think "assume good faith" should be revisited for some "agents," but it is too ripe for abuse. Explaining past the correct answer and then getting reduced to absurdium is only something a RLHF-prodding half-cognizant truth-addicted semi-sentient half-escaped super-intelligence would consider as wise. >Either keep your phone in a metal box, Faraday cage* And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming, so thinking "no power" = "no computation/exfil" is cute, but naive.
    - Lammy 2y ago
      > And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming Once the tech eventually gets there this will be sold as a feature and will replace our current wireless-charging tech. There will be no more “charging” at all — every device will simply be always on. Then it will be that much harder to escape The System's eye since a dead battery will no longer be any excuse for a device to disappear.
      - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
        Imagine the migraines the schizos will be justified in having. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me its hard to know you're not crazy when fukin APT/sufficiently advanced autocorrect can convince someone to hit you with a microwave (beam).
  - gruez 2y ago
    >We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? There's a pretty big difference between "some apps collect your location data and sell it, there's some clause buried in the ToS authorizing them to do it", and "your phone has hardware/software backdoors to collection location data even if the option is explicitly turned off". The former can plausibly be defended in court, whereas the latter is obvious fraud. Before you claim "but big corporations are above the law!", google recently paid millions to settle a lawsuit for tracking users in incognito mode, which sounds evil but was pretty banal in actuality. They didn't add some sort of backdoor to exempt their domains from incognito mode. Rather, they treated incognito sessions as regular sessions, such that if used incognito mode but visited a site that used google analytics, your visit would still be recorded. >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies. The police also has the ability to bug your house, but I think it's pretty paranoid for the average joe to think their house is bugged. "opsec" also involves doing a threat assessment and understanding what the most likely risks are, not assuming the FSB is out to get you and hiding in a bunker.

by sgc 2y ago

gruez 2y ago

>What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot >Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it. If your paranoia level is this high, what makes you think they won't put a backup GPS receiver in the SoC or modem? They're perfect places for it, because they have tons of traces connected to them that you could piggy back off one to use as a rudimentary antenna.

Lammy 2y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A...
- Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
  That second link was nearly limb-preserving, and may actually be the only solution to some self-defined axiomatic arguments. Thank you.
sgc 2y ago
We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? More like Russell's teapot would apply to anybody who would assert there is a benign and benevolent corporate actor out there. Prove it. You can't, and every major company in this domain has been caught out at least a few times, plus we know there are laws on the books that force them into secrecy. This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies.
- Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
  >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. I think "assume good faith" should be revisited for some "agents," but it is too ripe for abuse. Explaining past the correct answer and then getting reduced to absurdium is only something a RLHF-prodding half-cognizant truth-addicted semi-sentient half-escaped super-intelligence would consider as wise. >Either keep your phone in a metal box, Faraday cage* And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming, so thinking "no power" = "no computation/exfil" is cute, but naive.
  - Lammy 2y ago
    > And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming Once the tech eventually gets there this will be sold as a feature and will replace our current wireless-charging tech. There will be no more “charging” at all — every device will simply be always on. Then it will be that much harder to escape The System's eye since a dead battery will no longer be any excuse for a device to disappear.
    - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
      Imagine the migraines the schizos will be justified in having. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me its hard to know you're not crazy when fukin APT/sufficiently advanced autocorrect can convince someone to hit you with a microwave (beam).
- gruez 2y ago
  >We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? There's a pretty big difference between "some apps collect your location data and sell it, there's some clause buried in the ToS authorizing them to do it", and "your phone has hardware/software backdoors to collection location data even if the option is explicitly turned off". The former can plausibly be defended in court, whereas the latter is obvious fraud. Before you claim "but big corporations are above the law!", google recently paid millions to settle a lawsuit for tracking users in incognito mode, which sounds evil but was pretty banal in actuality. They didn't add some sort of backdoor to exempt their domains from incognito mode. Rather, they treated incognito sessions as regular sessions, such that if used incognito mode but visited a site that used google analytics, your visit would still be recorded. >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies. The police also has the ability to bug your house, but I think it's pretty paranoid for the average joe to think their house is bugged. "opsec" also involves doing a threat assessment and understanding what the most likely risks are, not assuming the FSB is out to get you and hiding in a bunker.