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Which has been happening for decades. I find it more troubling the relationships between the government and the media more than I do surveillance at this point

Which has been happening for decades. I find it more troubling the relationships between the government and the media more than I do surveillance at this point. When you have news outlets publishing outright lies and propaganda to create a narrative for an election, I think that is a lot more dangerous. Like when Democrats were touting Liz Cheney's endorsement of Harris. The same person whose father they wanted to string up by his thumbs, called him a war criminal and all kinds of adjectives to describe his massive no bid contracts for Halliburton during the Iraq wars. Trump said he's like to see what happens when she is handed a rifle and goes out and has seven or eight guns pointed at her. This comment was then repackaged to say that Trump was endorsing the assassination of Liz Cheney. That's not misconstruing something. That's not leaving out a detail here and there. It was an outright lie and straight misinformation that was pushed all over the media for two days. Even liberal leaning outlets had to finally step in and say that, no, that's not what he said. When you cannot trust the media any more because they are no longer one of the last checks on government overreach and influence and instead have a relationship where the government dictates to the media what they can and cannot report? That to me, is far more dangerous than surveillance.

beej71 2y ago
> When you cannot trust the media any more because they are no longer one of the last checks on government overreach and influence I'd argue you can't trust them because of the First Amendment. They have a lot of leeway to say whatever they want. Like with an individual, trust is either earned or theirs to lose. > instead have a relationship where the government dictates to the media what they can and cannot report? That to me, is far more dangerous than surveillance. It is very dangerous. Is this happening, though? I don't recall Biden calling for pulling news channels' permits. Did he revoke press corps passes?
- burningChrome 2y ago
  >> It is very dangerous. Is this happening, though? I don't recall Biden calling for pulling news channels' permits. Did he revoke press corps passes? So you don't remember the government going to social media platforms during Covid telling them they have to suppress information that contradicts the idea that if you get the vaccine you're 100% protected from getting or passing on the virus? Or the 55 CIA agents who signed a letter stating the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation even though they knew it wasn't, and then directed the media to push this complete lie to the general public? There are copious other examples, but you don't need to pull news channels permits or press passes. You just tell them what to report instead.
  - beej71 2y ago
    I remember the government asking them to do it, but have no recollection of them being required to do it. I do, however, recall Trump pulling White House press passes and threatening to cancel broadcast licenses. P.S. Go after Hunter all you want. Nobody cares.

beej71 2y ago

> When you cannot trust the media any more because they are no longer one of the last checks on government overreach and influence I'd argue you can't trust them because of the First Amendment. They have a lot of leeway to say whatever they want. Like with an individual, trust is either earned or theirs to lose. > instead have a relationship where the government dictates to the media what they can and cannot report? That to me, is far more dangerous than surveillance. It is very dangerous. Is this happening, though? I don't recall Biden calling for pulling news channels' permits. Did he revoke press corps passes?

burningChrome 2y ago
>> It is very dangerous. Is this happening, though? I don't recall Biden calling for pulling news channels' permits. Did he revoke press corps passes? So you don't remember the government going to social media platforms during Covid telling them they have to suppress information that contradicts the idea that if you get the vaccine you're 100% protected from getting or passing on the virus? Or the 55 CIA agents who signed a letter stating the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation even though they knew it wasn't, and then directed the media to push this complete lie to the general public? There are copious other examples, but you don't need to pull news channels permits or press passes. You just tell them what to report instead.
- beej71 2y ago
  I remember the government asking them to do it, but have no recollection of them being required to do it. I do, however, recall Trump pulling White House press passes and threatening to cancel broadcast licenses. P.S. Go after Hunter all you want. Nobody cares.