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Indeed. The crazy thing is that so many people still don't understand this. For the last few years I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigat

Indeed. The crazy thing is that so many people still don't understand this. For the last few years I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigating. Of course, I also have my location permissions for apps defaulted off and locked down (except for the two apps I grant conditional access to). I realize that cell tower tracking exists and is used by my mobile provider instead but at least it's a little less accurate. As a side benefit, my battery life is much better. I've also adopted the healthy lifestyle choice of not using any social media apps on my mobile device (which is surprisingly wonderful once you make the leap). I mostly just use my phone to make and receive calls and texts (and as a remote for my home automation).

sgc 2y ago
What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it.
- gruez 2y ago
  >What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot >Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it. If your paranoia level is this high, what makes you think they won't put a backup GPS receiver in the SoC or modem? They're perfect places for it, because they have tons of traces connected to them that you could piggy back off one to use as a rudimentary antenna.
  - Lammy 2y ago
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A...
    - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
      That second link was nearly limb-preserving, and may actually be the only solution to some self-defined axiomatic arguments. Thank you.
  - sgc 2y ago
    We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? More like Russell's teapot would apply to anybody who would assert there is a benign and benevolent corporate actor out there. Prove it. You can't, and every major company in this domain has been caught out at least a few times, plus we know there are laws on the books that force them into secrecy. This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies.
    - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
      >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. I think "assume good faith" should be revisited for some "agents," but it is too ripe for abuse. Explaining past the correct answer and then getting reduced to absurdium is only something a RLHF-prodding half-cognizant truth-addicted semi-sentient half-escaped super-intelligence would consider as wise. >Either keep your phone in a metal box, Faraday cage* And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming, so thinking "no power" = "no computation/exfil" is cute, but naive.
      - Lammy 2y ago
        > And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming Once the tech eventually gets there this will be sold as a feature and will replace our current wireless-charging tech. There will be no more “charging” at all — every device will simply be always on. Then it will be that much harder to escape The System's eye since a dead battery will no longer be any excuse for a device to disappear.
        Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
        Imagine the migraines the schizos will be justified in having. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me its hard to know you're not crazy when fukin APT/sufficiently advanced autocorrect can convince someone to hit you with a microwave (beam).
Lammy 2y ago
> For the last few years I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigating. This does nothing. The location spying is baked into the cellular tech itself. 5G base stations literally steer the beam to follow you, so it “““has””” to spy on your location in order to work. https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/12/5g-positioning--what-you-need-to-know https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/12/5g-positioning--wha... “The arrival of 5G delivers new enhanced parameters for positioning accuracy down to the meter, decimeter and centimeter.” “Positioning of users and devices across general indoor environments, such as offices, shops, logistics, etc., was a focus area of 3GPP Release 16.” https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-say-goodbye-to-your-location-privacy https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-... “[5G network positioning] data can also enable advertisers and data brokers to see the exact routes you take each day and even which buildings you go into. And anyone with access to your mobile network’s cell tower data will now be able to track your movements in real time.”
- Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
  5G = downvoted by glow-bots. That is not (currently) in "Overton Window" of "acceptable" in regards to the nations phyche, in totality; 5G is more of a "passive system" than what can be collectively admitted irt natsec atm.
  - Lammy 2y ago
    Agreed, and the astroturfing of that one extremely dumb talking point a few years was very suspect. Those with Eyes To See will recognize the all of The System's usual symbology in 3GPP: https://standards-tracker.5g-ppp.eu/sites/default/files/3GPP-logo-transparent_0_1.png https://standards-tracker.5g-ppp.eu/sites/default/files/3GPP... (G as 2D spiral view of 3D coil, 3 sides of a cube being the most you can see at one time, coil of Humanity goes inside the cube, tilted axis of the second P compared to the first, arcs of Ascension traced in the signal lines)
fragmede 2y ago
What's even crazier is people that want everyone else to just roll over and give up and think that because that information exists to five eyes/the deep state/"them" that people shouldn't complain when actual real life government agencies abuse their power and try to violate people's rights.
fsflover 2y ago
> The crazy thing is that so many people still don't understand this. A lot of people do understand this but can't really do much against this. I personally use a GNU/Linux phone with hardware kill switches. And it's not always easy. > I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigating You can't trust this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15413709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15413709

sgc 2y ago

What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it.

gruez 2y ago
>What assurances do you have that your "perma-off" setting is even minimally respected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot >Unless you have a physical disconnect for the chip, I would presume it is still gathering data and that data is being shipped out. There are just fewer companies that can do it. If your paranoia level is this high, what makes you think they won't put a backup GPS receiver in the SoC or modem? They're perfect places for it, because they have tons of traces connected to them that you could piggy back off one to use as a rudimentary antenna.
- Lammy 2y ago
  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A...
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    That second link was nearly limb-preserving, and may actually be the only solution to some self-defined axiomatic arguments. Thank you.
- sgc 2y ago
  We live in a world absolutely awash in corporate and state surveillance, where virtually all parties constantly position themselves to increase information gathering. We are literally talking about an abuse of the fine print in TOS by a government entity, and I am paranoid? More like Russell's teapot would apply to anybody who would assert there is a benign and benevolent corporate actor out there. Prove it. You can't, and every major company in this domain has been caught out at least a few times, plus we know there are laws on the books that force them into secrecy. This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. Either keep your phone in a metal box, or presume it is compromised. Just like the the most basic level of opsec for virtually all relevant government agencies.
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    >This is honestly so basic it almost feels like gaslighting to call me paranoid. I think "assume good faith" should be revisited for some "agents," but it is too ripe for abuse. Explaining past the correct answer and then getting reduced to absurdium is only something a RLHF-prodding half-cognizant truth-addicted semi-sentient half-escaped super-intelligence would consider as wise. >Either keep your phone in a metal box, Faraday cage* And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming, so thinking "no power" = "no computation/exfil" is cute, but naive.
    - Lammy 2y ago
      > And remember, they can induce current via highly directional beam-forming Once the tech eventually gets there this will be sold as a feature and will replace our current wireless-charging tech. There will be no more “charging” at all — every device will simply be always on. Then it will be that much harder to escape The System's eye since a dead battery will no longer be any excuse for a device to disappear.
      - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
        Imagine the migraines the schizos will be justified in having. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me its hard to know you're not crazy when fukin APT/sufficiently advanced autocorrect can convince someone to hit you with a microwave (beam).

Lammy 2y ago

> For the last few years I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigating. This does nothing. The location spying is baked into the cellular tech itself. 5G base stations literally steer the beam to follow you, so it “““has””” to spy on your location in order to work. https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/12/5g-positioning--what-you-need-to-know https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2020/12/5g-positioning--wha... “The arrival of 5G delivers new enhanced parameters for positioning accuracy down to the meter, decimeter and centimeter.” “Positioning of users and devices across general indoor environments, such as offices, shops, logistics, etc., was a focus area of 3GPP Release 16.” https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-say-goodbye-to-your-location-privacy https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-... “[5G network positioning] data can also enable advertisers and data brokers to see the exact routes you take each day and even which buildings you go into. And anyone with access to your mobile network’s cell tower data will now be able to track your movements in real time.”

Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
5G = downvoted by glow-bots. That is not (currently) in "Overton Window" of "acceptable" in regards to the nations phyche, in totality; 5G is more of a "passive system" than what can be collectively admitted irt natsec atm.
- Lammy 2y ago
  Agreed, and the astroturfing of that one extremely dumb talking point a few years was very suspect. Those with Eyes To See will recognize the all of The System's usual symbology in 3GPP: https://standards-tracker.5g-ppp.eu/sites/default/files/3GPP-logo-transparent_0_1.png https://standards-tracker.5g-ppp.eu/sites/default/files/3GPP... (G as 2D spiral view of 3D coil, 3 sides of a cube being the most you can see at one time, coil of Humanity goes inside the cube, tilted axis of the second P compared to the first, arcs of Ascension traced in the signal lines)

fragmede 2y ago

What's even crazier is people that want everyone else to just roll over and give up and think that because that information exists to five eyes/the deep state/"them" that people shouldn't complain when actual real life government agencies abuse their power and try to violate people's rights.

fsflover 2y ago

> The crazy thing is that so many people still don't understand this. A lot of people do understand this but can't really do much against this. I personally use a GNU/Linux phone with hardware kill switches. And it's not always easy. > I leave my phone's GPS perma-off unless I'm actively navigating You can't trust this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15413709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15413709