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Just go with Nitrokey, the software is, at least, published at GitHub https://github.com/Nitrokey https://github.com/Nitrokey

echelon 2y ago
Classic strategy. Market leader is closed source. Follower attempts to be open source to gain market share despite being behind in features and market. Has this strategy ever worked? Gitlab went public, but it's barely a fraction of what GitHub is. Framework laptops aren't really all that big. Maybe Android? But it had huge backing.
- notpushkin 2y ago
  Yeah, not enough people care about open source right now. Maybe after this incident more will! In any case you're right, if you try doing open source purely as a marketing tactic it may or may not work out. I think one good reason to do open source is because you believe it's more sustainable, or transparent, or just being decent to your customers.
- eco 2y ago
  BitWarden went this route against LastPass. They've had their own closed source component contoversies lately though.
  - elashri 2y ago
    The password manager market does not have a dominant player like Github vs Gitlab (others). Actually this would be more true if you add non commercial offerings like Keychain passwords, Google passwords and Firefox (other browsers password managers). Lastpass didn't have a majority at anytime. And their decline is related more to thei breaches and horrible practices. They are trying to be relevant now. They offered my university free subscription for all students and faculty and still people don't even consider them. At least this is among people who consider password managers. Also for bitwarden the controversy was about their SDK licence being proprietary but they re-licenced to open source [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41940580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41940580
- Blackcatmaxy 2y ago
  For how new framework is they are actually pretty big on college campuses especially among engineering students in my experience. They're still a fairly new company in the scheme of things and I'd say the strategy is definitely not hurting them.
- pandemic_region 2y ago
  Not sure where Framework laptops fit in that strategy. They are ahead in terms of features (but not market, granted).
- 0x073 2y ago
  Gitlab and GitHub can't be compared. GitHub is a social platform. We would need mastodon for GitHub.
  - vdvsvwvwvwvwv 2y ago
    GitHub is also CI/CD like Bitbucket and GitLab etc.
palata 2y ago
That's about the only advantage I see with Nitrokey. Support is terrible (in my experience) and they sell unfinished products while advertising features they don't have. I have never reached a point where I could trust Nitrokey (I have a Nitrokey that I never used because after waiting 2 years to receive it, it still had none of the features that were announced when I ordered it).

echelon 2y ago

Classic strategy. Market leader is closed source. Follower attempts to be open source to gain market share despite being behind in features and market. Has this strategy ever worked? Gitlab went public, but it's barely a fraction of what GitHub is. Framework laptops aren't really all that big. Maybe Android? But it had huge backing.

notpushkin 2y ago
Yeah, not enough people care about open source right now. Maybe after this incident more will! In any case you're right, if you try doing open source purely as a marketing tactic it may or may not work out. I think one good reason to do open source is because you believe it's more sustainable, or transparent, or just being decent to your customers.
eco 2y ago
BitWarden went this route against LastPass. They've had their own closed source component contoversies lately though.
- elashri 2y ago
  The password manager market does not have a dominant player like Github vs Gitlab (others). Actually this would be more true if you add non commercial offerings like Keychain passwords, Google passwords and Firefox (other browsers password managers). Lastpass didn't have a majority at anytime. And their decline is related more to thei breaches and horrible practices. They are trying to be relevant now. They offered my university free subscription for all students and faculty and still people don't even consider them. At least this is among people who consider password managers. Also for bitwarden the controversy was about their SDK licence being proprietary but they re-licenced to open source [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41940580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41940580
Blackcatmaxy 2y ago
For how new framework is they are actually pretty big on college campuses especially among engineering students in my experience. They're still a fairly new company in the scheme of things and I'd say the strategy is definitely not hurting them.
pandemic_region 2y ago
Not sure where Framework laptops fit in that strategy. They are ahead in terms of features (but not market, granted).
0x073 2y ago
Gitlab and GitHub can't be compared. GitHub is a social platform. We would need mastodon for GitHub.
- vdvsvwvwvwvwv 2y ago
  GitHub is also CI/CD like Bitbucket and GitLab etc.

palata 2y ago

That's about the only advantage I see with Nitrokey. Support is terrible (in my experience) and they sell unfinished products while advertising features they don't have. I have never reached a point where I could trust Nitrokey (I have a Nitrokey that I never used because after waiting 2 years to receive it, it still had none of the features that were announced when I ordered it).