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Thank you! I deeply appreciate that Steam works so well on Linux these days. I don't take for granted the hard work happening behind the scenes to make that a r
by electromech 2y ago
Thank you! I deeply appreciate that Steam works so well on Linux these days. I don't take for granted the hard work happening behind the scenes to make that a reality for us.
- Forgeties79 2y agoI really hope they drop a full steam OS release again soon. I’d love to build a gaming tower around it. Might settle for bazzite but I’d like to do steam OS tbh
- lordofgibbons 2y agoWhat would that get you over any other distro with the steam software installed?
- shortrounddev2 2y ago1st party support
- zamadatix 2y agoThere's a lot more to SteamOS than "it ran `apt install steam -y` for you". Even just having things like Gamescope running out of the box (which is more than just `apt install gamescope`) is a huge amount of headache set aside. Plus the guarantee when it doesn't work it's because of a bug rather than something you did or some incompatibility with your exact distro setup.
- Forgeties79 2y agoYeah you get it lol I just want to play my damn games and not tinker all the damn time!
- akimbostrawman 2y ago>guarantee when it doesn't work it's because of a bug rather than something you did or some incompatibility with your exact distro setup. Flatpak fixes this problem. You don't need gamescope unless for stuff like scaling. The only few times you need to fiddle with anything on desktop is changing proton version or adding a launch variable from protondb.com (just like on steamdeck)
- zamadatix 2y agoGamescope does a lot more than scaling. HDR, better framerate limiting, non-rgb gamut handling, isolating "fullscreen" games, shader effect loading, and probably more I'm forgetting. Flatpak let's you run the Steam app itself correctly, nothing more. These "you only need to fiddle when" are exactly what add up and create frustration between users on different systems just wanting to play a game instead of read a manual/guide to find which "few tweaks" they each need to do to get the same experience as SteamOS would give them.
- akimbostrawman 2y agoHDR will work soon work everywhere on Wayland by default. You seem to think steam on Desktop Linux is somehow different from steam on steamdeck Linux. Like I said in my previous post, the only "fiddling" you need to do is copy pasting launch commands and choosing a different Proton version from a drop down _just_like_on_steamdeck.
- eloisant 2y agoBazzite has gamescope running out of the box, and other distributions probably have it too. It's also an immutable distribution, like SteamOS (except it's based on Fedora Silverblue instead of Arch) so there is no "incompatibility with your exact distro setup": you have the exact same distro setup as every single Bazzite user.
- zamadatix 2y agoYeah, Bazzite is probably the best alternative barring official support. It attempts to tackle most of the issues head on.
- Forgeties79 2y agoI like console gaming because it just works. I sit down on my couch, I turn on my controller, and I’m back in my game in under 10 seconds. The series S has honestly been a fantastic purchase for me despite the many drawbacks. PC gaming is very enticing but we all know that’s simply not how it goes down. I would love to build a PC that is literally just discord and Steam. I want to run it in big picture mode for the most part and treat it more or less like a console. I have really enjoyed my steam deck and it has fit that desired role pretty well. But obviously it is just not that powerful. It’s impressive for what it is, but for me it’s basically a great indie game machine with the occasional AAA option that is tolerable. A well-built machine with that kind of UX (minus the known idiosyncrasies of the deck) would be fantastic. To answer your question more directly: Most Linux distros do not offer this either. Bazzite is the closest I’ve seen.
- anotherhue 2y agoYou can run gamescope as your WM and have a steam-deck-like experience on your desktop, ideal for a living room. https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Steam#Gamescope_Compositor_/_%22Boot_to_Steam_Deck%22 https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Steam#Gamescope_Compositor_/_%22...
- Forgeties79 2y agoI honestly don’t want to be tinkering all the time. The steamdeck is pretty much my limit for tinkering with gaming these days. Kids do that to you lol
- mgrandl 2y agoBazzite is the answer. It’s basically out of the box SteamOS, just somehow even better.
- anotherhue 2y agoAlso https://github.com/Jovian-Experiments/Jovian-NixOS https://github.com/Jovian-Experiments/Jovian-NixOS
- nineteen999 2y agoGGP literally said he doesn't want to be tinkering all the time. Nix is literally the opposite of no tinkering.
- Forgeties79 2y agoI imagine it is great but I just don’t want to have to troubleshoot my operating system, games, and hardware. It is probably reasonable to assume that a stable steam OS will be more consistent for me. Maybe I’m underestimating bazzite but in my experience regular Linux users (I have some experience but hardly an expert/daily user) underestimate how frequently one has to tinker with their OS’s.
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- pnw 2y agoI thought Valve already said they don't plan to do that. Steam OS 3.0 is only for the Steam Deck isn't it? From https://repo.steampowered.com/steamos/README.txt https://repo.steampowered.com/steamos/README.txt SteamOS version 1 'alchemist' and version 2 'brewmaster' have been discontinued. No further updates are planned. The SteamOS 'clockwerk' prototype has also been discontinued and will not be released.
- CivBase 2y agoLast I heard they were still working on a general desktop release but it's slow going, largely due to Nvidia support.
- Forgeties79 2y agoThey’ve been pretty quiet about it yeah but last I saw there was some plan to do it some day
- ensignavenger 2y agoThe last I heard, they said they were planning to do it, for example, this article: https://9to5linux.com/valve-says-steamos-3-0-will-be-available-for-everyone-to-download-and-install https://9to5linux.com/valve-says-steamos-3-0-will-be-availab... But I haven't heard anything one way or the other in a while. But as it stands, they have stated that they plan to do a general release. Unless there is another source where they say they changed their mind?
- bsimpson 2y ago
- hypercube33 2y agoChimeraOS is a clone or fork or something of SteamOS. Works great on AMD tiny PC hardware. can't really comment past that. I found the keyboard and mouse setup kinda jarring and just threw windows back on...for now.
- bsimpson 2y agoAs noted in a sibling comment, Valve has released an open-source compositor (`gamescope`), which is what presents Steam as a console-esque UI on the Steam Deck. Using gamescope to present Steam, you can make an arbitrary Linux feel indistinguishable from a Deck. There are many gaming distributions (e.g. Bazzite, Jovian/NixOS, Nobara, Chimera…) that take this approach. They're usually just standard desktop distributions (Fedora or NixOS) with gaming packages configured. There is a Russian teenager who's trying to cobble together a SteamOS clone using as many Valve packages as possible. His project is called HoloISO.
- jorvi 2y agoYou're talking about Big Picture, which has been a thing for.. 8 years? Maybe 10? The compositor is what runs two layers down, under the window manager.
- izacus 2y agoNo, he's talking about the compositor which has several gaming related features which then runs the Big Picture version of Steam for UI to select and manage games.
- entropicdrifter 2y agoThey're right that the compositor is gamescope, it's made by Valve and it has game-related features, but the person 3 comment-levels above me did seem to be conflating gamescope with the Big Picture UI. You can absolutely use gamescope and not use Big Picture mode at all, lots of people using Wayland do so by wrapping their games in a call to gamescope.
- tombert 2y agoFor what it’s worth, I have had pretty good luck with Jovian for NixOS. My primary game console is a little gaming PC running it, I like it.
- eek2121 2y agoSame. I have been toying with an idea that I want to turn into a business. I know there are 3rd party attempts to replicate Valve’s stuff, but I would rather use something sanctioned by Valve.
- eloisant 2y agoWhat do you want from a generic SteamOS that Bazzite doesn't have?