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The ejection was months before he got the role at VMX-1. Even if it had been after he got the role I'm not sure it should matter. I'd expect validating and upd

by tzs 2y ago

The ejection was months before he got the role at VMX-1. Even if it had been after he got the role I'm not sure it should matter. I'd expect validating and updating "the book" to be a carefully planned and methodical activity, with alternate approaches tested during simulated failure or failures induced under controlled conditions. Would they really expect a pilot who encounters a failure not under such conditions to decide it is a great opportunity to try out non-book approaches to see how the work?

4ad 2y ago
Plus this idea of "updating the book" makes it sound like this was some sort of experimental aircraft where they still have to finalize the manual. This is a production aircraft, over 1000 were built, it is deployed in 30+ countries.
- j16sdiz 2y ago
  huh? Commercial aircraft updates its manual all the times
- lmm 2y ago
  It's still officially in development, hasn't passed its validation tests yet.
KennyBlanken 2y ago
From the article: "Del Pizzo’s “decision to eject was ultimately inappropriate, because commanded flight inputs were in-progress at the time of ejection, standby flight instrumentation was providing accurate data, and the [jet’s] backup radio was, at least partially, functional. Furthermore, the aircraft continued to fly for an extended period after ejection.”" He lost contact with the tower and his wingman, and did not try to use his backup radio. He lost some primary instruments - the HUD - and did not try to use backup instruments. If he'd contacted his wingman and the tower he could have verified at least some of his instruments, or followed his wingman in for a landing. The whole thing is absurd. The guy lost his cool, freaked out, and punched out - and is trying to cover his ass by using the cover-their-ass section of the aircraft manual.
- jki275 2y ago
  he was at very low altitude, struck by lightning, in a completely glass cockpit plane. You don't "call your wingman" in that situation, you decide and you do. He didn't believe the plane was flyable, and in those conditions I don't think he had enough time or separation from the ground to make sure.
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  - db48x 2y ago
    He was doing an instrument landing at the time. When the ILS switched off, he automatically aborted the landing as trained. This is a go–around, so you apply TOGA thrust, point the nose up, level the wings, raise the gear, and climb to 4000’ or whatever is the correct altitude for the TOGA procedure at the airport you are at. He was already 1200’ above the ground and climbing when he ejected. He was in a perfect level climb, he just wasn’t looking at his standby instruments and so he lost situational awareness for a few seconds. Glass cockpit or not, the standby instruments and fly–by–wire system were completely reliable in spite of the lightning.
    - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
      > He was doing an instrument landing at the time. When the ILS switched off, he automatically aborted the landing as trained. No, if you read the report, he was on final and, for whatever reason, instead of continuing the landing procedure he decided to change the aircraft mode to vertical landing and this caused the helmet to glitch.
      - db48x 2y ago
        The redacted version of the report does not state that there was any causal link between switching to SVTOL and the failure of the HMD. Only that the HMD happened to fail shortly after he switched modes: 95. Approaching the final approach fix, the MFL made the radio call to convert the flight to Mode 4 (STOVL) and slow the flight to 150 knots in preparation for the 100-knot slow landing. This was the last radio call Swede 12 heard from Swede 11. [Encl (17), (19)] 98. MP reported his HMD flickered shortly after converting. Near simultaneously, a momentary caution displayed in his HMD that he perceived to be engine-related and then the HMD flickered out. While MP considered missed approach options, the HMD came back. [Encl (17)] And from the evaluation: 19. Primary factors contributing to the mishap can be traced back to event that occurred at 13:32:05. This event induced failures of both primary radios, the TACAN, and the ILS. [FF 100, 101, 126-129] 20. Additionally, it is probable that the HMD and PCDs were not operational for at least three distinct periods. [FF 98, 103, 104, 106, 114, 132-136, 141]
pdonis 2y ago
> The ejection was months before he got the role at VMX-1. But he had already been a qualified test pilot--you have to have had that experience for a number of years before you will even be considered for a post like the CO of VMX-1. So this is not a case of an ordinary line pilot doing things by the book but the book was wrong. This is a case of a test pilot, while he did everything by the book, taking an action that cast some doubt on his judgment as a test pilot. Which seems perfectly reasonable to me. My father was a Navy test pilot, and had plenty of stories to tell that were a lot more hair-raising than what seems to have happened here, and he brought those planes back. The one time he did have to eject from a test aircraft, it was doing uncommanded 360 degree rolls and was not responding to flight controls at all, and he got out just in time before it crashed.

by tzs 2y ago

4ad 2y ago

Plus this idea of "updating the book" makes it sound like this was some sort of experimental aircraft where they still have to finalize the manual. This is a production aircraft, over 1000 were built, it is deployed in 30+ countries.

j16sdiz 2y ago
huh? Commercial aircraft updates its manual all the times
lmm 2y ago
It's still officially in development, hasn't passed its validation tests yet.

KennyBlanken 2y ago

From the article: "Del Pizzo’s “decision to eject was ultimately inappropriate, because commanded flight inputs were in-progress at the time of ejection, standby flight instrumentation was providing accurate data, and the [jet’s] backup radio was, at least partially, functional. Furthermore, the aircraft continued to fly for an extended period after ejection.”" He lost contact with the tower and his wingman, and did not try to use his backup radio. He lost some primary instruments - the HUD - and did not try to use backup instruments. If he'd contacted his wingman and the tower he could have verified at least some of his instruments, or followed his wingman in for a landing. The whole thing is absurd. The guy lost his cool, freaked out, and punched out - and is trying to cover his ass by using the cover-their-ass section of the aircraft manual.

jki275 2y ago
he was at very low altitude, struck by lightning, in a completely glass cockpit plane. You don't "call your wingman" in that situation, you decide and you do. He didn't believe the plane was flyable, and in those conditions I don't think he had enough time or separation from the ground to make sure.
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- db48x 2y ago
  He was doing an instrument landing at the time. When the ILS switched off, he automatically aborted the landing as trained. This is a go–around, so you apply TOGA thrust, point the nose up, level the wings, raise the gear, and climb to 4000’ or whatever is the correct altitude for the TOGA procedure at the airport you are at. He was already 1200’ above the ground and climbing when he ejected. He was in a perfect level climb, he just wasn’t looking at his standby instruments and so he lost situational awareness for a few seconds. Glass cockpit or not, the standby instruments and fly–by–wire system were completely reliable in spite of the lightning.
  - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
    > He was doing an instrument landing at the time. When the ILS switched off, he automatically aborted the landing as trained. No, if you read the report, he was on final and, for whatever reason, instead of continuing the landing procedure he decided to change the aircraft mode to vertical landing and this caused the helmet to glitch.
    - db48x 2y ago
      The redacted version of the report does not state that there was any causal link between switching to SVTOL and the failure of the HMD. Only that the HMD happened to fail shortly after he switched modes: 95. Approaching the final approach fix, the MFL made the radio call to convert the flight to Mode 4 (STOVL) and slow the flight to 150 knots in preparation for the 100-knot slow landing. This was the last radio call Swede 12 heard from Swede 11. [Encl (17), (19)] 98. MP reported his HMD flickered shortly after converting. Near simultaneously, a momentary caution displayed in his HMD that he perceived to be engine-related and then the HMD flickered out. While MP considered missed approach options, the HMD came back. [Encl (17)] And from the evaluation: 19. Primary factors contributing to the mishap can be traced back to event that occurred at 13:32:05. This event induced failures of both primary radios, the TACAN, and the ILS. [FF 100, 101, 126-129] 20. Additionally, it is probable that the HMD and PCDs were not operational for at least three distinct periods. [FF 98, 103, 104, 106, 114, 132-136, 141]

pdonis 2y ago

> The ejection was months before he got the role at VMX-1. But he had already been a qualified test pilot--you have to have had that experience for a number of years before you will even be considered for a post like the CO of VMX-1. So this is not a case of an ordinary line pilot doing things by the book but the book was wrong. This is a case of a test pilot, while he did everything by the book, taking an action that cast some doubt on his judgment as a test pilot. Which seems perfectly reasonable to me. My father was a Navy test pilot, and had plenty of stories to tell that were a lot more hair-raising than what seems to have happened here, and he brought those planes back. The one time he did have to eject from a test aircraft, it was doing uncommanded 360 degree rolls and was not responding to flight controls at all, and he got out just in time before it crashed.