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> What’s wrong with poodles Poodles have similar issues to French Bulldogs because they have a genetic bottleneck as well. > To observe and study them, for on

> What’s wrong with poodles Poodles have similar issues to French Bulldogs because they have a genetic bottleneck as well. > To observe and study them, for one. Also, to see if we can (and learn how to and how not). I can understand the reasoning of trying it for the sake of trying (ethical considerations aside), but I'm not sure if an extinct species that is resurrected via some form of cloning would even be a representative sample to observe actual behavior.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Poodles have similar issues to French Bulldogs because they have a genetic bottleneck as well Source? I thought small and toy breeds make up most of the problematic breeds. Standard poodles’ hip dysplasia, like retrievers’, is mostly a product of early spaying and neutering leading to deformed hips. It’s environmental, in other words, not genetic. > not sure if an extinct species that is resurrected via some form of cloning would even be a representative sample to observe actual behavior It would be a guide into what behavioural factors in modern elephants were evolved versus learned. Obviously not pristinely. But it’s another data point.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > Source? https://cgejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40575-015-0026-5 https://cgejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40575... > It would be a guide into what behavioural factors in modern elephants were evolved versus learned. Obviously not pristinely. But it’s another data point. But couldn't you do the same thing with an RCT?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > couldn't you do the same thing with an RCT? Maybe, maybe not. You certainly wouldn’t refine your genetic and artificial gestation techniques that way.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      Fair point.
fellowmartian 2y ago
All breeds have breed-specific issues, but saying that Poodles have similar issues to brachycephalic breeds is just silly, those are different orders of magnitude of suffering.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Poodles have similar issues to French Bulldogs because they have a genetic bottleneck as well Source? I thought small and toy breeds make up most of the problematic breeds. Standard poodles’ hip dysplasia, like retrievers’, is mostly a product of early spaying and neutering leading to deformed hips. It’s environmental, in other words, not genetic. > not sure if an extinct species that is resurrected via some form of cloning would even be a representative sample to observe actual behavior It would be a guide into what behavioural factors in modern elephants were evolved versus learned. Obviously not pristinely. But it’s another data point.

alephnerd 2y ago
> Source? https://cgejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40575-015-0026-5 https://cgejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40575... > It would be a guide into what behavioural factors in modern elephants were evolved versus learned. Obviously not pristinely. But it’s another data point. But couldn't you do the same thing with an RCT?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > couldn't you do the same thing with an RCT? Maybe, maybe not. You certainly wouldn’t refine your genetic and artificial gestation techniques that way.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Fair point.

fellowmartian 2y ago

All breeds have breed-specific issues, but saying that Poodles have similar issues to brachycephalic breeds is just silly, those are different orders of magnitude of suffering.