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How so? Wages are still lower than in Germany, Belgium, Sweden or Netherlands where it's difficult to dismiss someone without proper cause and a long process.

How so? Wages are still lower than in Germany, Belgium, Sweden or Netherlands where it's difficult to dismiss someone without proper cause and a long process. Where are the benefits for Austrian workers for this lack of protection against firing versus countries that have protections? And where is this HN simping for ruthless capitalist that lay you off you the moment you get sick coming from? What am I not seeing here?

whilenot-dev 2y ago
> And where is this HN simping for ruthless capitalist that lay you off you the moment you get sick coming from? Sounds like you made some experiences with the wrong people. The process is faster than in other european countries, true, but we're still far away from a short process... unemployment benefits, social healthcare, sick leave, holidays etc. A shorter process can open up good opportunities, but demands some security to enjoy the risks. I think we're mostly balancing this act and it's a good thing when it makes Austria more attractive to employers. Competition against Germany, Belgium, Sweden, or the Netherlands is in my own interest. Especially in the case of software engineering it can be beneficial to join unstable employments and be ready to change frequently. I'm mostly seeing it as grateful (depending on market), as you can only see so many system designs fail in your lifetime. :D
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >Sounds like you made some experiences with the wrong people. This might shock you, but lot of Austrian employers behave like this: Hire and fire. Got sick? So long. This shouldn't be acceptable in an EU country. AK is also useless here because the laws are toothless. >unemployment benefits, social healthcare, sick leave, holidays etc Those exist in every other EU company where you can't lay off people just because you don't like their face anymore. >Competition against Germany, Belgium, Sweden, or the Netherlands is in my own interest. Yet those countries score better at innovation, entrepreneurship while having better worker rights and higher wages. How do you explain that? I'm not sure working yourself to death in a race to the bottom on lowering workers rights is a good strategy.
sehansen 2y ago
Without any personal experience with the Austrian labour market, it seems like firing people is around as easy in Austria as it is here in Denmark. And wages are higher in Denmark than in Germany, Belgium, Sweden and Netherlands. So the low wages and bad conditions for employees in Austria probably have some other, common cause.

whilenot-dev 2y ago

> And where is this HN simping for ruthless capitalist that lay you off you the moment you get sick coming from? Sounds like you made some experiences with the wrong people. The process is faster than in other european countries, true, but we're still far away from a short process... unemployment benefits, social healthcare, sick leave, holidays etc. A shorter process can open up good opportunities, but demands some security to enjoy the risks. I think we're mostly balancing this act and it's a good thing when it makes Austria more attractive to employers. Competition against Germany, Belgium, Sweden, or the Netherlands is in my own interest. Especially in the case of software engineering it can be beneficial to join unstable employments and be ready to change frequently. I'm mostly seeing it as grateful (depending on market), as you can only see so many system designs fail in your lifetime. :D

Rinzler89 2y ago
>Sounds like you made some experiences with the wrong people. This might shock you, but lot of Austrian employers behave like this: Hire and fire. Got sick? So long. This shouldn't be acceptable in an EU country. AK is also useless here because the laws are toothless. >unemployment benefits, social healthcare, sick leave, holidays etc Those exist in every other EU company where you can't lay off people just because you don't like their face anymore. >Competition against Germany, Belgium, Sweden, or the Netherlands is in my own interest. Yet those countries score better at innovation, entrepreneurship while having better worker rights and higher wages. How do you explain that? I'm not sure working yourself to death in a race to the bottom on lowering workers rights is a good strategy.

sehansen 2y ago

Without any personal experience with the Austrian labour market, it seems like firing people is around as easy in Austria as it is here in Denmark. And wages are higher in Denmark than in Germany, Belgium, Sweden and Netherlands. So the low wages and bad conditions for employees in Austria probably have some other, common cause.